Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[Deleted member 57233]

How much did you pay for your panels?

I put 12kW on my roof for $4k.

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[Wheelin98TJ]

Now, don’t misconstrue me, but seeing you’re from San Diego makes sense, being a more city and suburbs.

you are amongst the demographic that would benefit from an EV (assuming it doesn’t spontaneously combust in your driveway/garage)

as pointed out, problem with EV’s is the heavy handed pushing, like its June all year round

I live in Michigan. I don’t have much use for an EV.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

I put 12kW on my roof for $4k.

What's the replacement cost on those and how often?

I'm hoping to build in the next couple years and having solar would be great to have in addition to the grid. (although the ethics of solar, more specifically the batteries, are still an issue needing dealt with, but with China and Russia buying up every mine they can get their hands on, I'm not sure that'll be anytime soon)

In the meantime, I'm basing my land purchase on the likelihood of a natural gas well on the property

 

[MF Comics]

I live in Michigan. I don’t have much use for an EV.

me neither, and outside the left coast, theyre useless like fake tits on a zombie

 

[Deleted member 57233]

What's the replacement cost on those and how often?

I'm hoping to build in the next couple years and having solar would be great to have in addition to the grid. (although the ethics of solar, more specifically the batteries, are still an issue needing dealt with, but with China and Russia buying up every mine they can get their hands on, I'm not sure that'll be anytime soon)

In the meantime, I'm basing my land purchase on the likelihood of a natural gas well on the property

Replacement cost is maybe $3k - $4k? I got all the stuff dropped in my driveway direct from China. Been running for 5 years with no issues, they claim 25 year lifespan, but I doubt that. I'm not running batteries, I sell the extra to the power company.

 

[chorky]

I don't want an EV Jeep but I sure as hell love me the Tesla 3. Charges for free ( owned 14.4kW solar ), and have been saving $700/mo on fuel... .3 kids... 3 schools.... 6 sports etc....

There is certainly a use case.

700/mo on fuel!?!?!? Dude...that's insanity. Must be on the west coast somewheres.

$28k after rebates. Savings already paid for them. Not joking. Like $8k in fuel per year, A/C is $700/mo June thru October throughout the Santa Ana season. It's been 4 years.

Fuel and electrical offset are around $14k/year. Everything they produce is free until their efficiency dies off to the point I can't offset.

So, it does not charge for free. Sure the savings made up for it in time but it still wasn't free. And it's never 'free'. That cost is just paid for by someone else and/or spread out throughout the nation via taxes and rebates. Last year I installed a wood furnace, and got a 26% rebate - pretty crazy. But that still comes from somewhere. I am curious though, what was your electric bill before the Tesla/solar? And compared that with the additional cost of the solar install, plus the additional electric cost. I'm curious how much of a difference it actually made.

sell the extra to the power company.

I would like to do this too. Problem is getting the solar setup in the first place. It's a heavy upfront cost. It's also hard to justify when my electric bill is only about $55/mo.... I would need some serious solar push back to the power grid to pay all that back. But it would be nice to have a large battery bank as well to just have another level of redundancy. Fortunately I'm on the same power grid as the local hospital, which is on the main lines only 100 miles away from the dam. But still....redundancy, especially in very rural ares, is important.

 

[ecidiego]

700/mo on fuel!?!?!? Dude...that's insanity. Must be on the west coast somewheres.

That was 1 car. 5 bucks a gallon. 3 kids, 3 schools, 6 sports. Was gas madness.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

I would like to do this too. Problem is getting the solar setup in the first place. It's a heavy upfront cost. It's also hard to justify when my electric bill is only about $55/mo.... I would need some serious solar push back to the power grid to pay all that back. But it would be nice to have a large battery bank as well to just have another level of redundancy. Fortunately I'm on the same power grid as the local hospital, which is on the main lines only 100 miles away from the dam. But still....redundancy, especially in very rural ares, is important.

Even at $55/mo it only takes a few years to pay for it's self if you DIY the system. The best part is I like to travel a lot, so those panels just sit there pumping energy into the grid that Idaho Power has to buy from me.

 

[Dickster]

when were iphones banned from planes?

Iphones and Androids were banned at one time. The Batteries were unstable and catching fire. Simple google search.

 

[chorky]

Even at $55/mo it only takes a few years to pay for it's self if you DIY the system. The best part is I like to travel a lot, so those panels just sit there pumping energy into the grid that Idaho Power has to buy from me.

yeah i dont think so. 55 bucks a mont for 4 years is just over $2,500. Not way you could get a total solar setup, controllers, batteries, wires, mounts, etc for that price. I would like to see your receipts for everything if thats the case. around here parts alone would be north to 8K. Thats more like 12 years. And thats assuming those 12 years my electric is 100% powered by solar at the minimum. No way. 9 months of long hard winters here with 1-3 months of -20 degree nights and teens or single digits during the day. even with my wood furnace pulling just enough power for the blower and propane stove and instant water heater There just isnt enough sunlight To be totally independent from the grid unless I had a huge battery setup. It would be nice. But not financially viable. There is a good solar place in town I have been wanting to go visit but for the parts alone and self install I expect 15-20K. Prices of everything in my area are beyond stupid right now.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

There is a good solar place in town I have been wanting to go visit but for the parts alone and self install I expect 15-20K. Prices of everything in my area are beyond stupid right now.

Yeah, you are looking at the ridiculously marked up US prices. They are cashing in on all the incentives and rebates. I got mine direct from China. Go to alibaba.com and search for solar, you can get the panels for $60-$100 each and the inverters for less than $500.

9 months of long hard winters here with 1-3 months of -20 degree nights and teens or single digits during the day. even with my wood furnace pulling just enough power for the blower and propane stove and instant water heater There just isnt enough sunlight To be totally independent from the grid unless I had a huge battery setup.

I'm not independent of the grid. I sell my power back to the grid during the sunny months, which covers any power I use from the grid during low production months. It still cancels out power bills for the full year.

 

[Dickster]

which iphone was banned? My "simple google search" uncovered the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 being banned from flight. I don't see anything at all about an iphone. Was wondering if you had info that I didn't have or if you were just incorrect.

You must be a iphone guy.... it actually happened well before the Note. It was around 2008ish but the note 7 swamped all the reports. Just type into Google iphone catching on Fire, its more common than most think. Android is the same way and it's not the phone it's battery quality.

 

[GWolgamott]

Why am I having nightmares of a report I had to do in my college days...

I live in rural northern Michigan. I see plenty of EV and hybrid drivers these days. I commute from middle of the woods 45 minutes to small lake shore tourist town. I pass 3 ev stations. It is coming whether we want it to or not. I'd be interested if I could get a charging station and the cost was down. But heat and cold are moot because I actually see people using and driving them in sub-zero weather in several inches of un-plowed roads and the hot humid summers more and more here.

To note:
I was skepitcal too until I followed a tesla nearly everyday last winter, I don't know where they live but are almost as far out in the woods as I am. Also starting to run across plenty of hybrids in the trails around me, something I've never seen until this year to be frank.

Reason I'm not getting one at the moment: goes back to two factors its not quite as cheap to own yet (As far as I know, maybe I'm wrong here.) & the infrastructure. Being that lines were so old and out of date they wouldn't install an EV charging unit for hybid or otherwise at my location for at least the next several years. That and I am waiting on the day where I can pull into something resembling a station like a gas station to pull in and pull out after quick charge. I don't care if it costs me something, it costs me damn near 60-80 everytime as it is.

 

[MPMB]

I would like to do this too. Problem is getting the solar setup in the first place. It's a heavy upfront cost. It's also hard to justify when my electric bill is only about $55/mo.... I would need some serious solar push back to the power grid to pay all that back. But it would be nice to have a large battery bank as well to just have another level of redundancy. Fortunately I'm on the same power grid as the local hospital, which is on the main lines only 100 miles away from the dam. But still....redundancy, especially in very rural ares, is important.

The batteries is just the killer of the whole thing. For a 5kw system I think I'd need around 16 100w panels. At $100, that's $1600 plus mounting hardware. Inverter costs vary. But the storage units? That's when everything starts adding up. I have friends in FL that are adding solar and they're looking at $80k for a Tesla system.

If you want total off-grid reliance, I've heard you need to bank about 3 days worth of power. 30kw a day x 3 days is 90kw. That's $30k+ in storage.

In WA, it would have taken 20+ years to break even on a basic solar power system.

Since we moved to Utah, once we get a handle on utilities, we'll decide if/when we'll add solar. The sun is much more useful here than in WA.

 

[chorky]

The batteries is just the killer of the whole thing. For a 5kw system I think I'd need around 16 100w panels. At $100, that's $1600 plus mounting hardware. Inverter costs vary. But the storage units? That's when everything starts adding up. I have friends in FL that are adding solar and they're looking at $80k for a Tesla system.

If you want total off-grid reliance, I've heard you need to bank about 3 days worth of power. 30kw a day x 3 days is 90kw. That's $30k+ in storage.

In WA, it would have taken 20+ years to break even on a basic solar power system.

Since we moved to Utah, once we get a handle on utilities, we'll decide if/when we'll add solar. The sun is much more useful here than in WA.

agreed which is whyI havent seriously looked into it. I dont see the economic benefit in a quick enough time period.

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