Jeep CEO Antonio Filosa appointed to Stellantis committee taking over from ousted CEO Carlos Tavares

[ecidiego]

EV's are great for short distance running around town.

That's weird... wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county. We live in San Diego. Drove there and back without charging. 310 mile round trip.... my Gladiator would never make that without filling up. Here's what's really awesome: Owning a gas car outright is more expensive than leasing an EV. I am in a $239/mo lease payment. Electricity to charge is totally free thanks to owned solar which already paid for itself. Wife was burning $440/mo in gasoline ferrying 3 kids around. EV for the win. $201 savings per month and no more gas stations. She charges it once per week overnight and it takes about 7 hours.

.....are we doing something wrong? How can we make sure to get less range and have to charge 10x every 100 miles the way all you EV experts ( people who don't own an EV and have never driven one ) say we do?

The rest of your post is nonsense. Your numbers are completely wrong.

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[WestwallNF104A]

That's weird... wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county. We live in San Diego. Drove there and back without charging. 310 mile round trip.... my Gladiator would never make that without filling up. Here's what's really awesome: Owning a gas car outright is more expensive than leasing an EV. I am in a $239/mo lease payment. Electricity to charge is totally free thanks to owned solar which already paid for itself. Wife was burning $440/mo in gasoline ferrying 3 kids around. EV for the win. $201 savings per month and no more gas stations. She charges it once per week overnight and it takes about 7 hours.

.....are we doing something wrong? How can we make sure to get less range and have to charge 10x every 100 miles the way all you EV experts ( people who don't own an EV and have never driven one ) say we do?

The rest of your post is nonsense. Your numbers are completely wrong.

Yeah, the EV's have all kinds of government subsidies to make them attractive. You got the 7500 tax credit I assume? But as a Californian you pay twice as much for energy as I do, the new laws that went in to effect also punish the ICE vehicle owners. So, take away the government benefits, and remove the government laws and regs that punish ICE owners and the numbers balance out.

Yes, your wife shuttling the kids around is EXACTLY what I said, that is the absolute best use for EV's. But try and drive 600 miles in a day with your EV. Better yet, try and do 1000 like I do on a frequent basis. Good luck.

And no, my numbers are quite accurate.

 

[ecidiego]

One thing EVs taught me is that most people drive 1,000 miles per day....

No. No tax credit. As a Californian I pay 0 for electricity as I put a 14.4kW solar system on my roof which paid for itself in 3 years.

Gasoline engines as personal vehicle powerplants are on their way out. Like it or not.


You response was predictable btw:

1st you say: "EV's are great for short distance running around town."

I say: " wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county ...310 mile round trip "

Then you predictably moved the goalposts: " But try and drive 600 miles in a day with your EV. Better yet, try and do 1000 like I do on a frequent basis. "

EVs will hit 600 mile range in a couple years and it will be " yeah? Try 1500 miles in a day "

Cracks me up.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

One thing EVs taught me is that most people drive 1,000 miles per day....

No. No tax credit. As a Californian I pay 0 for electricity as I put a 14.4kW solar system on my roof which paid for itself in 3 years.

Gasoline engines as personal vehicle powerplants are on their way out. Like it or not.


You response was predictable btw:

1st you say: "EV's are great for short distance running around town."

I say: " wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county ...310 mile round trip "

Then you predictably moved the goalposts: " But try and drive 600 miles in a day with your EV. Better yet, try and do 1000 like I do on a frequent basis. "

EVs will hit 600 mile range in a couple years and it will be " yeah? Try 1500 miles in a day "

Cracks me up.

EV range has been stuck at 300 miles for over a decade. The claim they will hit 600 mile range isn't supported by anything approaching reality. It will be great when it happens, but energy density is the achilles heel of battery technology. How much of a tax credit did you get for your solar system? I got 8,500 for mine. Mine still hasn't paid for itself, but I don't get as much Sunlight as you do.

Yes, you say she did that one time. Awesome. However I would guess, because I did it too, that most of her kid shuttling is much closer to home.

I am amused that you are trying to pick a fight with me, because you won't succeed. I like EV's for their running around strengths. They are great for that purpose. And yes, ICE vehicles will certainly go the way of the Dodo bird someday, but if you want that day to come any time soon, you had better tell California to start building powerplants at a fast pace, because right now there is no grid capacity to do a complete changeover. Not for decades to come at the rate of proposed EV sales demanded by the government.

And do an experiment sometime. Try charging your EV on solar power alone. A standard TESLA Model 3 will take 20 to 40 hours to charge with a Level One charger. Obviously there are a lot of other factors at play, and living in San Diego helps you a lot. Up here it took us two weeks to charge my friends TESLA Model S, but we don't have near as much Sun as you do.

 

[ecidiego]

EV range has been stuck at 300 miles for over a decade. The claim they will hit 600 mile range isn't supported by anything approaching reality. It will be great when it happens, but energy density is the achilles heel of battery technology. How much of a tax credit did you get for your solar system? I got 8,500 for mine. Mine still hasn't paid for itself, but I don't get as much Sunlight as you do.

Yes, you say she did that one time. Awesome. However I would guess, because I did it too, that most of her kid shuttling is much closer to home.

I am amused that you are trying to pick a fight with me, because you won't succeed. I like EV's for their running around strengths. They are great for that purpose. And yes, ICE vehicles will certainly go the way of the Dodo bird someday, but if you want that day to come any time soon, you had better tell California to start building powerplants at a fast pace, because right now there is no grid capacity to do a complete changeover. Not for decades to come at the rate of proposed EV sales demanded by the government.

And do an experiment sometime. Try charging your EV on solar power alone. A standard TESLA Model 3 will take 20 to 40 hours to charge with a Level One charger. Obviously there are a lot of other factors at play, and living in San Diego helps you a lot. Up here it took us two weeks to charge my friends TESLA Model S, but we don't have near as much Sun as you do.

Stuck at 300 .... how did she go 310 and have 20% remaining? I gotta call the dealer... it's obviously broken....

There is plenty of power for a changeover. The electricity required to refine gasoline is higher than if that same energy was used to charge an EV for the same amount of range. Fact.

1 ICE car off the road = less refinery electricity use.

You are stuck in some scenario in your head where a complete EV changeover happens and all the ICE cars are STILL on the road. They wouldn't be. The grid has plenty of power because it isn't refining gasoline for passenger vehicles any longer.

You need to see the big picture. EVs go further than an equivalent ICE on a given amount of electricity. The EV efficiently uses the electricity directly, while the engine uses gasoline refined using electricity. Far less efficient.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Stuck at 300 .... how did she go 310 and have 20% remaining? I gotta call the dealer... it's obviously broken....

There is plenty of power for a changeover. The electricity required to refine gasoline is higher than if that same energy was used to charge an EV for the same amount of range. Fact.

1 ICE car off the road = less refinery electricity use.

You are stuck in some scenario in your head where a complete EV changeover happens and all the ICE cars are STILL on the road. They wouldn't be. The grid has plenty of power because it isn't refining gasoline for passenger vehicles any longer.

You need to see the big picture. EVs go further than an equivalent ICE on a given amount of electricity. The EV efficiently uses the electricity directly, while the engine uses gasoline refined using electricity. Far less efficient.

California is already telling EV owners to not charge during peak energy usage time, so I think you are incorrect about electrical capacity.

 

[smlobx]

Can both of you guys be right?

The average single family home has at least 2 cars. If one of them is an EV then you both win.

Thats the situation we have (although we have 4 vehicles) but we drive our Tesla and Gladiator the most.

We are going to NH for Christmas which will be around 800 miles. We anticipate it actually taking about 2 hours more than if we had driven the Jeep and I’m fine with that.

 

[Lost1wing]

Ev's have their place. Ev's can not, at this time replace the gasoline engine. Infrastructure requirements and range are the main setbacks for EV's. You can get into even deeper issues if you want to talk about battery production and overall carbon footprint. Those Tesla 10 year battery warranties still require that someone digs a little deeper and burns a little more diesel to get the raw material.

On the flip side, gasoline cars are lasting longer getting better and better mileage. The newer engines are cleaner burning too.

You can still drive 800 miles to see grandma in one day with a gas car.

Getting those groceries with the electric car works fine. But now you need 2 cars? I'll stick with the one that can do all the jobs and has the smaller carbon footprint.

Who cares about Antonio? Another stock inflator I'll bet.

 

[Slapping_Rabbits]

Hey something to keep in mind. EVs are more popular in other countries. China for example, hit a point recently where half of all new vehicles bought were EVs. Since all the big car makers are global suppliers, trends may not be driven by the USA in the future. What are you going to do when these big car makers just decide to not make something we in the USA like? We're seeing this happen with other consumer products now.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Can both of you guys be right?

The average single family home has at least 2 cars. If one of them is an EV then you both win.

Thats the situation we have (although we have 4 vehicles) but we drive our Tesla and Gladiator the most.

We are going to NH for Christmas which will be around 800 miles. We anticipate it actually taking about 2 hours more than if we had driven the Jeep and I’m fine with that.

Yes, we are both correct. But I would suggest you calculate in some more time for your trip. The EV charging stations need to be upgraded, or replaced. Many don't work due to poor maintenance. So, there are usually a couple of people waiting to use the chargers that work.

Tesla chargers for the most part are in good shape so you should be mostly OK.

Have a good trip!

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Hey something to keep in mind. EVs are more popular in other countries. China for example, hit a point recently where half of all new vehicles bought were EVs. Since all the big car makers are global suppliers, trends may not be driven by the USA in the future. What are you going to do when these big car makers just decide to not make something we in the USA like? We're seeing this happen with other consumer products now.

When manufacturers stop making ICE vehicles there will be companies come along to manufacture the parts to keep the popular ones running.

Gasoline will continue to be available for quite a while into the future.

 

[Mister Lamb]

EVs are every dystopian government's dream.

Read the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. The law mandates the inclusion of advanced impaired-driving prevention technology in new vehicles starting in 2026.

"The technology would aim to detect driver impairment and potentially prevent vehicle operation."

If you're OK with even more private entities collecting biometric data and preventing you from driving your vehicle based on your car's computer, so be it.

Ford filed a patent allowing EVs and other connected vehicles to lock owners out and autonomously drive themselves to impounds for missed payments.

Why anyone in their right mind would want to sacrifice their privacy for slightly more convenient transportation is beyond me.

Just wait until your entire online profile from social media to finances dictate when and where you can drive. The possibilities for disaster are endless.

Only a primate couldn't see the writing on the wall

 

[WestwallNF104A]

EVs are every dystopian government's dream.

Read the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. The law mandates the inclusion of advanced impaired-driving prevention technology in new vehicles starting in 2026.

"The technology would aim to detect driver impairment and potentially prevent vehicle operation."

If you're OK with even more private entities collecting biometric data and preventing you from driving your vehicle based on your car's computer, so be it.

Ford filed a patent allowing EVs and other connected vehicles to lock owners out and autonomously drive themselves to impounds for missed payments.

Why anyone in their right mind would want to sacrifice their privacy for slightly more convenient transportation is beyond me.

Just wait until your entire online profile from social media to finances dictate when and where you can drive. The possibilities for disaster are endless.

Only a primate can't see the writing on the wall

Yes, that is certainly a concern. I don't really understand why the guy in San Diego is so hostile. I like EV'S I just understand their shortcomings.

I really like the new hybrid technology. A friend of mine is an employee of Red Bull's F1 team, and what they have managed to do with their power units is simply amazing.

 

[sbach66]

I have zero dog in this fight, but I think his "issue" began with the OP saying no one wanted EVs. His response disagreeing with that resulted in a ROFL from you, which he followed by showing data that refutes the OP, and away the thread went.

Anyways, you guys have a good time arguing about it.

 

[Lunentucker]

Meanwhile, I'm casually browsing my local Ford dealer's site ...

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