Jeep CEO Antonio Filosa appointed to Stellantis committee taking over from ousted CEO Carlos Tavares

[BuckeyeButch]

That's weird... wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county. We live in San Diego. Drove there and back without charging. 310 mile round trip.... my Gladiator would never make that without filling up. Here's what's really awesome: Owning a gas car outright is more expensive than leasing an EV. I am in a $239/mo lease payment. Electricity to charge is totally free thanks to owned solar which already paid for itself. Wife was burning $440/mo in gasoline ferrying 3 kids around. EV for the win. $201 savings per month and no more gas stations. She charges it once per week overnight and it takes about 7 hours.

.....are we doing something wrong? How can we make sure to get less range and have to charge 10x every 100 miles the way all you EV experts ( people who don't own an EV and have never driven one ) say we do?

The rest of your post is nonsense. Your numbers are completely wrong.

{ 310-mile round trip.... my Gladiator would never make that without filling up. }

You have a Gladiator that can't go 310 miles on a tank? WTF do you drive it in 3rd gear.

Sponsored

 

[legacy_etu]

<SNIP>

Who cares about Antonio? Another stock inflator I'll bet.

Yeah, I thought he was appointed by Tavares? I could be wrong on that. So is he going to be following a similar playbook as Tavares?

 

[Lost1wing]

Yeah, I thought he was appointed by Tavares? I could be wrong on that. So is he going to be following a similar playbook as Tavares?

I don't see it being much different.

 

[Geoarch]

That's weird... wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county. We live in San Diego. Drove there and back without charging. 310 mile round trip.... my Gladiator would never make that without filling up. Here's what's really awesome: Owning a gas car outright is more expensive than leasing an EV. I am in a $239/mo lease payment. Electricity to charge is totally free thanks to owned solar which already paid for itself. Wife was burning $440/mo in gasoline ferrying 3 kids around. EV for the win. $201 savings per month and no more gas stations. She charges it once per week overnight and it takes about 7 hours.

.....are we doing something wrong? How can we make sure to get less range and have to charge 10x every 100 miles the way all you EV experts ( people who don't own an EV and have never driven one ) say we do?

The rest of your post is nonsense. Your numbers are completely wrong.

Also a PHEV solves the short range issue until such time that the batteries improve, and there are charging stations readily available.

 

[Geoarch]

One thing EVs taught me is that most people drive 1,000 miles per day....

No. No tax credit. As a Californian I pay 0 for electricity as I put a 14.4kW solar system on my roof which paid for itself in 3 years.

Gasoline engines as personal vehicle powerplants are on their way out. Like it or not.


You response was predictable btw:

1st you say: "EV's are great for short distance running around town."

I say: " wife took my daughter to an XC tournament in Ventura county ...310 mile round trip "

Then you predictably moved the goalposts: " But try and drive 600 miles in a day with your EV. Better yet, try and do 1000 like I do on a frequent basis. "

EVs will hit 600 mile range in a couple years and it will be " yeah? Try 1500 miles in a day "

Cracks me up.

My 2024 JTR can barely reach 300 miles before I have to fill up. I'm leaving Albuquerque for Gila Bend soon, and I'll fill up at least once on the way. Our RAV4 PHEV gets well over 450 miles on EV and gas combined, and around town with our rooftop solar free. I believe we've heard all these arguments before, or am I in permanent deja vu?

 

[Geoarch]

Can both of you guys be right?

The average single family home has at least 2 cars. If one of them is an EV then you both win.

Thats the situation we have (although we have 4 vehicles) but we drive our Tesla and Gladiator the most.

We are going to NH for Christmas which will be around 800 miles. We anticipate it actually taking about 2 hours more than if we had driven the Jeep and I’m fine with that.

Yep. We have my JTR and a RAV4 Prime PHEV.

 

[Geoarch]

EVs are every dystopian government's dream.

Read the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. The law mandates the inclusion of advanced impaired-driving prevention technology in new vehicles starting in 2026.

"The technology would aim to detect driver impairment and potentially prevent vehicle operation."

If you're OK with even more private entities collecting biometric data and preventing you from driving your vehicle based on your car's computer, so be it.

Ford filed a patent allowing EVs and other connected vehicles to lock owners out and autonomously drive themselves to impounds for missed payments.

Why anyone in their right mind would want to sacrifice their privacy for slightly more convenient transportation is beyond me.

Just wait until your entire online profile from social media to finances dictate when and where you can drive. The possibilities for disaster are endless.

Only a primate couldn't see the writing on the wall

Does that mean that some of us are not primates?

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Half of them don't qualify for the incentive. Sales are still increasing year over year.

Speaking of incentives....

"The United States subsidizes the fossil fuel industry with taxpayer dollars. It's not just the US: according to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 – the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income."

Shall we end fossil fuel subsidies and force gas vehicle manufacturers to compete 'fairly'?

How much of the fossil fuel subsidies go towards electricity production?

 

[GeneralMaximus]

The reality is no, they truly don't. I personally would love an EV it just won't happen because my trip distances are simply too long. I leave for Phoenix tomorrow. That's a fourteen hour drive. My friend takes his Tesla. For him it's two days. He has to stop in Las Vegas because he doesn't want to use the fast chargers too much because that kills the batteries. He also maintains them at close to 80% because he tells me that that increases their life cycle. He's an actual engineer, who can dial Musk direct, so I will go with what he says.

Unsold EVs are piling up at car dealerships. What does that mean for the auto industry?
The amount of inventory varies by automaker, but dealers say it’s a sign that the majority of U.S. consumers aren’t ready to switch to an electric car.
https://www.fastcompany.com/9099926...ips-what-does-that-mean-for-the-auto-industry

Sorry, but your friend is being silly. How long does he hope to keep that Tesla? If he’s an engineer, then he should know that EV battery tech is rapidly advancing. I wonder if he still has the original Iphone 1 and monitors the battery charge to make it last?

Ive been doing the LA/Vegas drive every month, for over four years. A 15-20 minute stop to supercharge and my battery charge capacity has diminished about 10% since new. Not using a supercharger on roadtrips when it’s available is like putting plastic covers over your couch to make the upholstery last longer. But hey, to each their own.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Sorry, but your friend is being silly. How long does he hope to keep that Tesla? If he’s an engineer, then he should know that EV battery tech is rapidly advancing. I wonder if he still has the original Iphone 1 and monitors the battery charge to make it last?

Ive been doing the LA/Vegas drive every month, for over four years. A 15-20 minute stop to supercharge and my battery charge capacity has diminished about 10% since new. Not using a supercharger on roadtrips when it’s available is like putting plastic covers over your couch to make the upholstery last longer. But hey, to each their own.

How is the tech rapidly advancing?

I'm curious, do you have some links that I can look at?

 

[GeneralMaximus]

How is the tech rapidly advancing?

I'm curious, do you have some links that I can look at?

In the past few years, there have been massive R&D and subsequent technological breakthroughs. We will see them in new EVs, soon.

Solid State batteries
https://www.pcmag.com/news/samsung-to-mass-produce-solid-state-batteries-for-super-premium-evs-by

Prismatic Battery Cell technology
https://inside.lgensol.com/en/2024/...ly-develop-prismatic-battery-cell-technology/

Tesla LFP batteries (no longer recommended to keep charge at 80%)
https://insideevs.com/news/557527/tesla-model3-lfp-charging-recommendations/

 

[WestwallNF104A]

In the past few years, there have been massive R&D and subsequent technological breakthroughs. We will see them in new EVs, soon.

Solid State batteries
https://www.pcmag.com/news/samsung-to-mass-produce-solid-state-batteries-for-super-premium-evs-by

Prismatic Battery Cell technology
https://inside.lgensol.com/en/2024/...ly-develop-prismatic-battery-cell-technology/

Tesla LFP batteries (no longer recommended to keep charge at 80%)
https://insideevs.com/news/557527/tesla-model3-lfp-charging-recommendations/

Ok, in order, "could" come to production by 2027. That's a bit of a cop out. "Will" come to production by 2027 is what I want to hear.

The Prismatic batteries have no estimated time to come in to production.

My friend has a Model S, so no LFP batteries.

This is the problem I have with battery technology development, we keep hearing about 600 mile range, and we have been hearing about that for well over 10 years now, but still we haven't seen it.

At least they are honest and say the new Solid State batteries will only be in the luxury EV's, those batteries will cost a fortune for the foreseeable future.

 

[ZeeJay]

Stuck at 300 .... how did she go 310 and have 20% remaining? I gotta call the dealer... it's obviously broken....

There is plenty of power for a changeover. The electricity required to refine gasoline is higher than if that same energy was used to charge an EV for the same amount of range. Fact.

1 ICE car off the road = less refinery electricity use.

You are stuck in some scenario in your head where a complete EV changeover happens and all the ICE cars are STILL on the road. They wouldn't be. The grid has plenty of power because it isn't refining gasoline for passenger vehicles any longer.

You need to see the big picture. EVs go further than an equivalent ICE on a given amount of electricity. The EV efficiently uses the electricity directly, while the engine uses gasoline refined using electricity. Far less efficient.

So what of the exploration of minerals, mining, transportation, process and manufacturing, and disposal of batteries? If the mining and transportation goes electric that is more load, more waste, and a big IF it does. A customer I support has small fleet of Lighting’s and thanks to government permitting they have to grow the fleet incrementally. After traveling to site over the hills and through the headwinds I always see them on chargers, I’ve rarely observed trucks not on a charger. Friend of mine who is maintenance planner at this company tells me they can’t make round trips to some sites that are 90+ miles out and back without charging, trucks usually get charged once on site, he has stated they in no way have a 300 mile range, F150’s with the 5.0 can make two trips. So as with anything more it is on a charger the faster that component wears and fails. For short trips, around town commuting and other bits EV are a great fit, also trips defined by where you live, I have entertained the idea just for around town bits and bots. To some of us EVs are absolutely worthless for anything else, we live in high country, travel a lot against prevailing winds, have cold climates, etc. This EV thing isn’t as simple as “electric good, gas bad, gas go away, EV rule world”. You say the big picture? So now I circle back to the first part like mining and manufacturing part again. What runs all that? One way or the other we will be loading grid, whether it’s oil or charging every damn thing on wheels, and to compound that the demand for minerals will be exponentially higher and what runs this “clean” grid. Should we all believe that endless fields of windmills and solar panels supply all of that, because “coal bad, solar more better”, there’s more of that raw materials and manufacturing again. I understand what you are saying, and I sincerely believe EVs have they’re role but in no way are EVs free of sin either.

 

[GeneralMaximus]

So what of the exploration of minerals, mining, transportation, process and manufacturing, and disposal of batteries? If the mining and transportation goes electric that is more load, more waste, and a big IF it does. A customer I support has small fleet of Lighting’s and thanks to government permitting they have to grow the fleet incrementally. After traveling to site over the hills and through the headwinds I always see them on chargers, I’ve rarely observed trucks not on a charger. Friend of mine who is maintenance planner at this company tells me they can’t make round trips to some sites that are 90+ miles out and back without charging, trucks usually get charged once on site, he has stated they in no way have a 300 mile range, F150’s with the 5.0 can make two trips. So as with anything more it is on a charger the faster that component wears and fails. For short trips, around town commuting and other bits EV are a great fit, also trips defined by where you live, I have entertained the idea just for around town bits and bots. To some of us EVs are absolutely worthless for anything else, we live in high country, travel a lot against prevailing winds, have cold climates, etc. This EV thing isn’t as simple as “electric good, gas bad, gas go away, EV rule world”. You say the big picture? So now I circle back to the first part like mining and manufacturing part again. What runs all that? One way or the other we will be loading grid, whether it’s oil or charging every damn thing on wheels, and to compound that the demand for minerals will be exponentially higher and what runs this “clean” grid. Should we all believe that endless fields of windmills and solar panels supply all of that, because “coal bad, solar more better”, there’s more of that raw materials and manufacturing again. I understand what you are saying, and I sincerely believe EVs have they’re role but in no way are EVs free of sin either.

I think the fatal flaw in all these discussions is, everyone is still assuming that the current era EV tech is what we are stuck with in the future. Its like the average consumer saying in 2008, “we still need our Nikons because the iphone takes potato quality pictures.” How many tourists with Nikons do you see nowadays?

The ICE engine, on the other hand, has already been developed for over a hundred years. But we shouldn’t compare it to where EVs are going to be in 5… 10 years time.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

I think the fatal flaw in all these discussions is, everyone is still assuming that the current era EV tech is what we are stuck with in the future. Its like the average consumer saying in 2008, “we still need our Nikons because the iphone takes potato quality pictures.” How many tourists with Nikons do you see nowadays?

The ICE engine, on the other hand, has already been developed for over a hundred years. But we shouldn’t compare it to where EVs are going to be in 5… 10 years time.

You do realize that EV's have been around as long as ICE vehicles have?

In fact, EV's were winning the "war" of adoption till about 1910-1915 when improvement of the starting procedure, and simplified maintenance gave the edge to the ICE powered vehicles.

I think part of the problem with EV development has been government regs trying to mandate their use.

Ultimately that has allowed development to remain slow.

In F1, the FIE set rules to control the cost of power units, and to make them more efficient when they tried to emphasize their "green" bonafides.

In two years, the manufacturers had been able to develop power units that attained 50% thermal efficiency.

In two years. That's amazing.

Sponsored