Jeep is Cutting Prices and Adding Content!

[ShadowsPapa]

Perhaps you have a great one and all of them are like that. Again, not my experience in an GCL 4xE and 3,500lbs is a bit different than 7,500lbs. Most of my experience was highway driving and I didn’t break into the 20mpg for the 2 weeks of usage without towing a lb. My average on the 3.0L is 24mpg and 18-20mpg towing 3,000lbs. Again different experiences than yours I’m sure. Enjoy what you have.

Where do you get 3500 pounds and 7500 pounds? Are you talking towing capacity?
I'm comparing our empty JLU 4xe to an empty JT, with the JLU weighing a bit more empty than my JT.
Can't compare diesel either - I actually have lower fuel costs with the 3.6 most of the time if I compare actual real lift true mpg numbers between diesel and gas in the same vehicle. A JT gasser vs a JT diesel - fuel costs are a wash, or I"m a penny ahead. Then add the other costs.
On the other hand, a 4xe JT would have the torque and power topping the V8

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[smlobx]

You have to consider their vehicle line-up. You can't just say "they had the highest prices" and drop it at that. The target audience is also right up there on top.
Other companies aim for more entry level stuff in some cases.
You also must consider that on purpose, Toyota doesn't put the latest tech and engineering into their vehicles - it helps keep their initial complaints down low. There's a reason Toyota has the reputation they have - it's not necessarily the best, it's that they never release anything on the bleeding edge. They play "safe". Where are the biggest complaints? Infotainment, electronics. Where is Toyota always a year or two behind? Infotainment, electronics.
Toyota is the company that bought Teslas to take them apart and see how things were made, manufacturing processes and so on - it's easy to talk quality when you are talking last year's stuff being sold this year.

First off I was just passing along what the article said. Secondly, Jeep has never been upscale lineup and never will be. That’s just a fact. If I wanted to buy an upscale SuV for instance it sure wouldn’t be a Jeep. In the price range that some of these are trying to go for you could pick up a BMW, Lexus or even a Porsche…

 

[Geoarch]

In other threads it appears the web builder isn't reflecting the actual order guide at the dealer, but that's not a new development.

What irritates many of us, myself included is that the Mojave and Rubicon get the better transfer cases ONLY with an X package. As I've written elsewhere, I'd prefer a cloth seated Mojave with Selectrac and a black Freedom top as opposed to body color, and yes, you get a ton with the X package but... leather will get destroyed by my dog, even with a seat cover, and I'll be removing the back seat for a platform... so again no sense in paying for something I won't use.

Jeep could keep pricing where it is so long as they offered SelecTrac on the JTM and I'd still be a buyer. Now? I'm seriously considering a Trailhunter.

What's the difference in the transfer cases?

 

[Alc]

Where do you get 3500 pounds and 7500 pounds? Are you talking towing capacity?
I'm comparing our empty JLU 4xe to an empty JT, with the JLU weighing a bit more empty than my JT.
Can't compare diesel either - I actually have lower fuel costs with the 3.6 most of the time if I compare actual real lift true mpg numbers between diesel and gas in the same vehicle. A JT gasser vs a JT diesel - fuel costs are a wash, or I"m a penny ahead. Then add the other costs.
On the other hand, a 4xe JT would have the torque and power topping the V8

Yes, towing…you spoke of towing in the original thread you replied to me. Correct on gas vs diesel price and I haven’t seen comparisons towing for 4xe vs diesel. If the JLU 4xe weighs more (assuming it’s not mods you put on) the JT 4xe definitely will since it outweighs a JL by ~500lbs. Add in a 4xe setup ads ~800lbs on top of that (Jeep specs, not mine). So the JT 4xe setup will be pushing a heavier vehicle. Can it move the JT? Yes. Will it do it well and tow well? I don’t know. Will the 4xe setup be dependable over 5-10 years? Again, who knows. At the end of the day it takes more energy to move our JTs and even more towing and we are adding weight and complexity. Lastly, what is the battery life span/recharge cycles of the 4xe and its replacement cost…will the above be reduced because of towing and a higher required load on the battery? I have yet to encounter a battery that hasn’t eventually died so all this needs to be taken into account. When we start to realize the actual benefits AND problems of the 4xe only then will we be able to properly evaluate. I get it, you’re all in on this 4xe setup, but it has its limitations. If you only look at HP/TQ when new off the lot and nothing else then it might look good, but what do those HP/TQ and mpg look like 5yrs from now when the battery holds less usable energy? Of course you could probably just lease and trade it in at the end of the lease as a fail safe but then you can’t mod.

 

[BourbonRunner]

What's the difference in the transfer cases?

Mojave X has SelecTrac full time 4wd, the standard Mojave has a part time 4wd.

Rubicon X has the RockTrac full time 4wd, standard Rubicon is only part time 4wd.

Prior to 2024, these were independent options, now they're only part of the X packages respectively.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If I wanted to buy an upscale SuV for instance it sure wouldn’t be a Jeep. In the price range that some of these are trying to go for you could pick up a BMW, Lexus or even a Porsche…

With far less capabilities than a Grand Cherokee, but a lot more bling.
I'll take the abilities over the bling. Plenty of luxury in the better Grand Cherokees.
My Eagle will take me more places than a Lexus. Hardly an SUV - they are all wheel drive station wagons (that's actually how they are classified here)

 

[ecidiego]

I would rather buy the new Tacoma at that price. With a lift 35s will go on and it will drive better . The X in Canada is going to be 80k plus .....what are they smoking

Toyotas arent anywhere near as durable offroad once mods begin. Jeeps surpass Toyotas in offroad reliability big time.

Not to mention if something does break, the area you're in will definitely have Jeep parts....not so much Toyota. Moab is a good example.

 

[BourbonRunner]

With far less capabilities than a Grand Cherokee, but a lot more bling.
I'll take the abilities over the bling. Plenty of luxury in the better Grand Cherokees.
My Eagle will take me more places than a Lexus. Hardly an SUV - they are all wheel drive station wagons (that's actually how they are classified here)

***except the GX and LX. Because they're just tarted up Land Cruisers.

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Toyotas arent anywhere near as durable offroad once mods begin. Jeeps surpass Toyotas in offroad reliability big time.

Not to mention if something does break, the area you're in will definitely have Jeep parts....not so much Toyota. Moab is a good example.

Oh yes Moab, that's an extreme example of off roading . I have seen many videos of jeeps breaking there as well lol

 

[ZoMojave]

If I did like a former co-worker did, yeah, I would. In his teens he bought his first house in a tax sale where property values were dropping. He fixed it up and flipped it - invested in another and his fixing homes up helped property values - when I met him he had no money challenges at all and was still doing the same thing. He worked only because he liked and wanted to.
So it depends...............
I wouldn't care a bit of our property values dropped - because it would mean I could fight our property tax hikes by showing dropping values in the area. So yeah - in 10 years I could save some real money on taxes. Don't plan on selling so don't care. It would cost so bloody much to move now it's all but impossible. I'd require some serious outbuildings and shop space. This is a tiny house, but still.........

Yes. Timing and a bit of luck along the way has been beneficial for some of us. Never wealthy and relatively careful but as a motorhead, always in the game. Many $$ spent on the love of all piston driving machines.

Everyone has their own limitations, wants and needs. Age, income, determination and desire dictates all.

I have never been much of a gambler.

 

[ZoMojave]

Umm, my 2020 has held its value incredibly well, but it’s MSRP was $55k and the same 2023 has a $65k MSRP. I paid $47k for it and it’s still worth $40k four years and 50k miles later. That’s trade in offers I’ve got the last few months. Markets vary, and mine is a very good looking gladiator with the Stingray paint and all. The new ones costing so much more really protected the value of the 2020s.

If you are in the market for a new JT, I would seriously consider that 40K offer for your '20 Overland with 50k miles.

 

[ZoMojave]

First off I was just passing along what the article said. Secondly, Jeep has never been upscale lineup and never will be. That’s just a fact. If I wanted to buy an upscale SuV for instance it sure wouldn’t be a Jeep. In the price range that some of these are trying to go for you could pick up a BMW, Lexus or even a Porsche…

If you are ever in the market for an upscale SUV, compare the EU and Asian brands first. Get a genuine feel for them and the cost of maintenance. Then, drive and really compare to a new Grand Cherokee Summit.

You will walk away with new knowledge of the Jeep badge. They are amazing.

 

[ZoMojave]

I didn't buy mine to sell it.. I did it to do hood rat shiz with my friends.

I dizzy that shiz wizzy.

 

[Lost Cosmonaut]

Wake me up when they put the Hurricane in the Gladiator.

 

[Like-a-virgin]

...and making the resale values of our Jeeps more dismal than they already are.

I feel deflated now after having bought a ‘23 JTS just two months ago. I wish I had not read this article.

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