Major Failure at 30k

[Mike-len]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that emissions systems have ruined diesels. I would say that emissions have complicated modern diesels and created a more costly ownership outside of warranty. We've seen a few bone stock EcoDiesels with over 300,000 miles. The highest mileage bone stock EcoDiesel that I know of has 474,070 miles. So, it's not all doom and gloom.

What have you done to those engines to make them last over 300k?

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[Hootbro]

What have you done to those engines to make them last over 300k?

I suspect those are driven as hotshot delivery vehicles or similar that stay on the road with lots of highway miles.

 

[biodiesel]

That’s the one I saw. Mine is a Gen 3. It doesn’t say anything about not using Rotella. You can buy Rotella 5W40 synthetic.

Actually, it does say not to use Rotella T6. It specifically says, "Using the oil specified for the GEN 2 engine in the GEN 3, will lead to deposits forming in the turbo charger. leading to reduced performance." Rotella T6 was specified as an approved oil in the GEN 2.

 

[biodiesel]

What have you done to those engines to make them last over 300k?

What have they done? Well, @Hootbro is pretty much spot on. Many of the Ram EcoDiesel engines seen below have been used for long-distance hauling. And when I say hauling, I'm talking about something as light as medical supplies to heavier commercial RV hauling.

300,000 Mile Club
Ramdriver501 (truck #3) - 300,010 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Andrew A. - 321,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Geno21 - 338,000 miles (engine, transmission, and truck) - Still in Operation
Mopar2ya - 345,352 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

350,000 Mile Club
Another - 351,813 miles (engine and truck) - Traded
Rick Watters - 360,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
VernDiesel - 371,000 miles (engine only) - EGR Cooler/Head Gasket Failure
Chad Lexvold - 388,955 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

400,000 Mile Club
Ramdriver501 (truck #1) - 410,000 miles (engine and truck) - Totaled
VernDiesel - 423,000 miles (engine) - Coolant Loss due to cracked head
J.R. Gunn - 443,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

450,000 Mile Club
James - 452,000 miles (engine) - Coolant Loss (reason not confirmed)
RussellandCissy - 474,070 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

500,000 Mile Club

550,000 Mile Club
Tyler_R - 555,555 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Muzzerall - 571,661 miles (engine, transmission, and truck) - Still in Operation

 

[Stan H]

What have they done? Well, @Hootbro is pretty much spot on. Many of the Ram EcoDiesel engines seen below have been used for long-distance hauling. And when I say hauling, I'm talking about something as light as medical supplies to heavier commercial RV hauling.

300,000 Mile Club
Ramdriver501 (truck #3) - 300,010 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Andrew A. - 321,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Geno21 - 338,000 miles (engine, transmission, and truck) - Still in Operation
Mopar2ya - 345,352 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

350,000 Mile Club
Another - 351,813 miles (engine and truck) - Traded
Rick Watters - 360,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
VernDiesel - 371,000 miles (engine only) - EGR Cooler/Head Gasket Failure
Chad Lexvold - 388,955 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

400,000 Mile Club
Ramdriver501 (truck #1) - 410,000 miles (engine and truck) - Totaled
VernDiesel - 423,000 miles (engine) - Coolant Loss due to cracked head
J.R. Gunn - 443,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

450,000 Mile Club
James - 452,000 miles (engine) - Coolant Loss (reason not confirmed)
RussellandCissy - 474,070 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

500,000 Mile Club

550,000 Mile Club
Tyler_R - 555,555 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Muzzerall - 571,661 miles (engine, transmission, and truck) - Still in Operation

I owned the bigger 6.7L 2 of them actually and always ran them at least 150 miles pertrip . It kept them burned out and clean .

 

[biodiesel]

550,000 Mile Club
Tyler_R - 555,555 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

I keep in touch with Tyler on a weekly basis. He's actually closer to 570,000 miles, but hasn't made an official update. If things go well, he will turn 600,000 before the end of year.

 

[Mike-len]

I suspect those are driven as hotshot delivery vehicles or similar that stay on the road with lots of highway miles.

What have they done? Well, @Hootbro is pretty much spot on. Many of the Ram EcoDiesel engines seen below have been used for long-distance hauling. And when I say hauling, I'm talking about something as light as medical supplies to heavier commercial RV hauling.

300,000 Mile Club
Ramdriver501 (truck #3) - 300,010 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Andrew A. - 321,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Geno21 - 338,000 miles (engine, transmission, and truck) - Still in Operation
Mopar2ya - 345,352 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

350,000 Mile Club
Another - 351,813 miles (engine and truck) - Traded
Rick Watters - 360,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
VernDiesel - 371,000 miles (engine only) - EGR Cooler/Head Gasket Failure
Chad Lexvold - 388,955 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

400,000 Mile Club
Ramdriver501 (truck #1) - 410,000 miles (engine and truck) - Totaled
VernDiesel - 423,000 miles (engine) - Coolant Loss due to cracked head
J.R. Gunn - 443,000 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

450,000 Mile Club
James - 452,000 miles (engine) - Coolant Loss (reason not confirmed)
RussellandCissy - 474,070 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation

500,000 Mile Club

550,000 Mile Club
Tyler_R - 555,555 miles (engine and truck) - Still in Operation
Muzzerall - 571,661 miles (engine, transmission, and truck) - Still in Operation

That’s amazing. Is the engine in the Ram the exact same as the engine in the Gladiator?

 

[biodiesel]

I owned the bigger 6.7L 2 of them actually and always ran them at least 150 miles pertrip . It kept them burned out and clean .

Modern diesels, especially those that are stock, do best when running hot. They seem to last a long time if you keep them on the highway. Eventually, EGR coolers fail, DEF pumps fail, NOx sensors fail, DPFs fail, etc. I've already had to replace some of those things on my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel.

Date	Mileage	Part Description	Part #	Cost
02/11/21	92,313	Water Pump	68211202AB	Powertrain Warranty
08/10/21	96,304	Front Shocks Rear Shocks	Bilstein 24-187343 4600 series Bilstein 24-187350 4600 series Labor	$204.00 per pair $152.00 per pair $280.00
09/01/21	97,036	Lower Ball Joints	N/A Labor Wheel Alignment	$199.90 $211.46 $119.95
07/20/22	105,715	Driver side CV Axle	Mopar 68028398AC Labor	$381.89 $211.80
08/27/22	106,964	Rear Cab Exhausters	Mopar 68323649AB	$12.44 per pair
10/28/22	109,119	Battery	Odyssey AGM49H8L5	$312.46
09/15/23	113,732	NOx Sensor - upstream NOx Sensor - downstream	Mopar 68250217AB Mopar 68250214AB	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
09/27/23	114,118	DEF Injector DEF Pump	Mopar 68232842AD Mopar 68438682AA	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
11/21/23	115,542	EGR Valve Cooler Bushing x 2 EGR Tube Gasket x 2 O-ring x 2	Mopar 68483334AA Mopar 68490221AA Mopar 68211320AA Mopar 68150060AA	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
02/05/24	118,626	Taillight Blinker Bulb	Sylvania 3157	$16.26 per pair
11/13/24	125,824	Serpentine Belt Serpentine Tensioner	Gates Green Stripe K060812HD Gates 39343 Labor	$24.95 $169.95 $75.00
01/06/25	126,303	Radiator	CSF 3738 Labor	$126.20 $534.91
01/26/25	126,762	Hood Lift Supports	Stabilus 4B-671122	$41.04 per pair
02/01/25	126,875	Key Fob	Mopar 56046953	$99.98 per pair
03/04/25	127,646	Pump Fuel Injection Label Authorize Label Kit Filter Fuel Kit	Mopar CSSMZ461AA Mopar 4275086AE Mopar CSFP01A1AA Mopar CSSMZ462AA	Recall/Warranty

 

[Stan H]

Modern diesels, especially those that are stock, do best when running hot. They seem to last a long time if you keep them on the highway. Eventually, EGR coolers fail, DEF pumps fail, NOx sensors fail, DPFs fail, etc. I've already had to replace some of those things on my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel.

Date	Mileage	Part Description	Part #	Cost
02/11/21	92,313	Water Pump	68211202AB	Powertrain Warranty
08/10/21	96,304	Front Shocks Rear Shocks	Bilstein 24-187343 4600 series Bilstein 24-187350 4600 series Labor	$204.00 per pair $152.00 per pair $280.00
09/01/21	97,036	Lower Ball Joints	N/A Labor Wheel Alignment	$199.90 $211.46 $119.95
07/20/22	105,715	Driver side CV Axle	Mopar 68028398AC Labor	$381.89 $211.80
08/27/22	106,964	Rear Cab Exhausters	Mopar 68323649AB	$12.44 per pair
10/28/22	109,119	Battery	Odyssey AGM49H8L5	$312.46
09/15/23	113,732	NOx Sensor - upstream NOx Sensor - downstream	Mopar 68250217AB Mopar 68250214AB	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
09/27/23	114,118	DEF Injector DEF Pump	Mopar 68232842AD Mopar 68438682AA	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
11/21/23	115,542	EGR Valve Cooler Bushing x 2 EGR Tube Gasket x 2 O-ring x 2	Mopar 68483334AA Mopar 68490221AA Mopar 68211320AA Mopar 68150060AA	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
02/05/24	118,626	Taillight Blinker Bulb	Sylvania 3157	$16.26 per pair
11/13/24	125,824	Serpentine Belt Serpentine Tensioner	Gates Green Stripe K060812HD Gates 39343 Labor	$24.95 $169.95 $75.00
01/06/25	126,303	Radiator	CSF 3738 Labor	$126.20 $534.91
01/26/25	126,762	Hood Lift Supports	Stabilus 4B-671122	$41.04 per pair
02/01/25	126,875	Key Fob	Mopar 56046953	$99.98 per pair
03/04/25	127,646	Pump Fuel Injection Label Authorize Label Kit Filter Fuel Kit	Mopar CSSMZ461AA Mopar 4275086AE Mopar CSFP01A1AA Mopar CSSMZ462AA	Recall/Warranty

My Map sensor would have to be cleaned about every 30k the little orange tip would get dirty.

 

[Mike-len]

Actually, it does say not to use Rotella T6. It specifically says, "Using the oil specified for the GEN 2 engine in the GEN 3, will lead to deposits forming in the turbo charger. leading to reduced performance." Rotella T6 was specified as an approved oil in the GEN 2.

I do see where it says that now. I’m wondering if that’s what happened to my turbo. I’ve had the dealership do the oil changes And maintenance while under warranty just so I’m covered if anything goes wrong.

 

[Stan H]

I do see where it says that now. I’m wondering if that’s what happened to my turbo. I’ve had the dealership do the oil changes And maintenance while under warranty just so I’m covered if anything goes wrong.

Unless it was abuse or you modified. Which I am sure you didn't I would imagine it would be .

 

[biodiesel]

That’s amazing. Is the engine in the Ram the exact same as the engine in the Gladiator?

Yes, the Gen 2 engine was used from 2014 - 2019 in the Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. The Gen 3 engine was used from 2020 - 2023 in the Ram 1500, Jeep Wrangler, and Jeep Cherokee. The Ram is tuned for more horsepower/torque, but it's the same engine.

We don't have many high mileage Gen 3 engines in the Ram. So far, here's what I have:

100,000 Mile Club
Roby - 100,000 miles (truck and engine)
J-Cooz - 100,000 miles (truck and engine)
Paulie66 - 100,000 miles (engine and truck)
Jcrob5122 - 108,385 miles (engine and truck)
Mopar2ya - 110,105 miles (engine and truck)
DFW_Casey - 115,000 miles (engine and truck)

150,000 Mile Club
ocn - 150,000 miles (engine and truck)
Jkcamino - 151,550 miles (engine and truck)
vikingtodd - 162925 miles (engine and truck)

200,000 Mile Club
cdsonsini - 207,000 miles (engine and truck)
Gabriel - 233,501 miles (engine and truck)

250,000 Mile Club
Justinj182 - 250,000 miles (engine and truck)

 

[Mike-len]

Unless it was abuse or you modified. Which I am sure you didn't I would imagine it would be .

No modifications while it’s under warranty still. Define abuse. I drive it on trips and I tow a boat that weighs less that what the Gladiator is rated for. I have 2 boats I tow. One is around 1500-2000 lbs and one is about 3500-4000 total depending on how much fuel is in it.

 

[biodiesel]

My Map sensor would have to be cleaned about every 30k the little orange tip would get dirty.

Here's the MAP sensor log for my 2015 Ram. I just turned 130,000 miles, so it needs to be replaced again.

Part	Miles	Date	Interval	Cost
Mopar 68211211AA	31,430 miles	07/31/2017	31,430	Warranty
Mopar 68211211AA	58,087 miles	10/06/2018	26,657
Mopar 68211211AA	88,679 miles	10/09/2020	30,592
Mopar 68211211AA	105,167 miles	06/27/2022	16,488

 

[Stan H]

No modifications while it’s under warranty still. Define abuse. I drive it on trips and I tow a boat that weighs less that what the Gladiator is rated for. I have 2 boats I tow. One is around 1500-2000 lbs and one is about 3500-4000 total depending on how much fuel is in it.

Deep water fording, running without air cleaner etc.. basically stuff than no sane person would do.

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