Manual Transmission Recall 19A

[Darel]

I really hope they give us a clutch with some sort of pedal feel.

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[coalcracker]

I really hope they give us a clutch with some sort of pedal feel.

That would be amazing. I’ve driven a manual for a long time but I feel like I still have some trouble driving the manual in my JT, where I’m a little hard on the clutch sometimes because the pedal has such a light feeling.

I doubt they’d replace the entire clutch but we can hope!

 

[ErrngeElise]

I really hope they give us a clutch with some sort of pedal feel.

That would be amazing. I’ve driven a manual for a long time but I feel like I still have some trouble driving the manual in my JT, where I’m a little hard on the clutch sometimes because the pedal has such a light feeling.

I doubt they’d replace the entire clutch but we can hope!

The updated recall documentation states that part of the remedy is a new clutch
RCLRPT-23V116-8530.PDF (nhtsa.gov)

I wouldn't expect the feel to change much. I've only seen one report on the post-recall JLs that makes me believe that the clutch probably feels the same.
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/2023-orders-check-in-here.95384/post-2405943

 

[Medical_Bartender]

2022 MT Willys here, no issues (yet) with the transmission, although I only have ~8k on it. I'd love to get a new centerforce clutch installed at no cost, but then I also am worried about the Jeep dealership actually installing the part correctly and it functioning for the life of the vehicle. But that's just me being slightly paranoid about their competence...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That would be amazing. I’ve driven a manual for a long time but I feel like I still have some trouble driving the manual in my JT, where I’m a little hard on the clutch sometimes because the pedal has such a light feeling.

I doubt they’d replace the entire clutch but we can hope!

They will likely have to replace the whole clutch, all of it, because it's not a manufacturing defect, it's a design flaw. Hard to see how they can redesign it for torque handling and leave any parts of it in place. Could be wrong, of course and obviously, but in my experience, you don't leave half of a faulty design in place.
It's really hard to understand how it came to this because clutches are not new technology and they have handled over 500 HP and lb/ft of torque for many decades.
The only other thing I can think of is "design for the masses" meaning make it easy for anyone from an 18 year old female of slight build to the 60 year old out of shape businessman/woman to drive meaning you can't use a clutch that requires massive leg strength to release.

 

[Hamandcamo]

@JeepCares

Just let us get a better aftermarket clutch and you pay for the labor and some of the cost of the clutch. Jeep is making this way harder than it needs to be. It's clear that the aftermarket clutches are superior to jeeps, so why would I want yalls half baked, bean counted solution lol. I have zero faith in jeeps redesign.

 

[coalcracker]

They will likely have to replace the whole clutch, all of it, because it's not a manufacturing defect, it's a design flaw. Hard to see how they can redesign it for torque handling and leave any parts of it in place. Could be wrong, of course and obviously, but in my experience, you don't leave half of a faulty design in place.
It's really hard to understand how it came to this because clutches are not new technology and they have handled over 500 HP and lb/ft of torque for many decades.
The only other thing I can think of is "design for the masses" meaning make it easy for anyone from an 18 year old female of slight build to the 60 year old out of shape businessman/woman to drive meaning you can't use a clutch that requires massive leg strength to release.

I agree with you. Although I feel like if Stellantis can devise a repair that’s just barely good enough and leverages the existing clutch (like the previous software update), they’ll do it. However I agree with you that it’s probably very difficult to leave any of the existing/flawed parts in place.

 

[The Sigma]

I know it's pie-in-the-sky thinking; saying it anyways... it would be nice if they gave a dollar figure on on their replacement clutch with the option of showing proof of replacement (i.e. I'd take that option and pay the extra to upgrade to a centerforce clutch).

 

[redriderjf87]

@JeepCares

Just let us get a better aftermarket clutch and you pay for the labor and some of the cost of the clutch. Jeep is making this way harder than it needs to be. It's clear that the aftermarket clutches are superior to jeeps, so why would I want yalls half baked, bean counted solution lol. I have zero faith in jeeps redesign.

Agree 1,000%

 

[Dave-in-RI]

Hi. Couple questions to the forum (please and thank you):

1) Is there still a stop sale on manuals, as of October 1, 2023?

2) On the assumption that a used manual JT will have a lower resale price than an automatic due to the clutch issue (more than just because it’s a lower cost option), does anyone know off the top of their head if the cost of buying a manual JT plus paying a shop to install an aftermarket clutch (eg, Centerforce) will be less than a comparable automatic JT might sell for? That is, can you come out ahead by buying a used manual and just paying to replace it right off the bat? (or not, but assuming it’s a deferred maintenance item)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hi. Couple questions to the forum (please and thank you):

1) Is there still a stop sale on manuals, as of October 1, 2023?

2) On the assumption that a used manual JT will have a lower resale price than an automatic due to the clutch issue (more than just because it’s a lower cost option), does anyone know off the top of their head if the cost of buying a manual JT plus paying a shop to install an aftermarket clutch (eg, Centerforce) will be less than a comparable automatic JT might sell for? That is, can you come out ahead by buying a used manual and just paying to replace it right off the bat? (or not, but assuming it’s a deferred maintenance item)

Possible the lower resale value will be due to the fact that it's a manual. The automatics cost more and are in far more demand, therefore can bring a higher price.
If there was enough demand for a manual to bring higher prices, then they'd have planned on making more. Instead, due to lower towing capacity and lower demand, it's likely clutch or no clutch fix, centerforce or no centerforce, the MT will bring a lower price anyway.

People around here buy trucks for towing, so there's little interest in a manual transmission. Can't say our dealers here even stock any.
Only classic cars like Camaro, Mustang and so on command higher prices 4 speed vs. automatic.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

Possible the lower resale value will be due to the fact that it's a manual. The automatics cost more and are in far more demand, therefore can bring a higher price.
If there was enough demand for a manual to bring higher prices, then they'd have planned on making more. Instead, due to lower towing capacity and lower demand, it's likely clutch or no clutch fix, centerforce or no centerforce, the MT will bring a lower price anyway.

People around here buy trucks for towing, so there's little interest in a manual transmission. Can't say our dealers here even stock any.
Only classic cars like Camaro, Mustang and so on command higher prices 4 speed vs. automatic.

Thanks. I have a 2,000lbs (on trailer) sailboat which I can tow with my 4cyl Outback, and mainly need the convenience of an open bed for larger items which aren’t heavy. Everything I’ve read here (which is a lot) about the manual being a bad manual and the auto being a good auto, makes it hard for me since I’m so bored with my Outback’s CVT that I want a manual (even with no power like my 2.5 non turbo) just to make it more engaging. I’d be fine (I think; never drove the JT manual… or auto for that matter) with a bad manual if it didn’t break, just get me out of this mind numbing car. That said, it’s the most reliable car I’ve ever had (including three Jeeps), and is great in the New England winters, so there’s a trade off to buy something with many recalls.

Also, wanting an electric (or at least phev), and knowing that’s where the world is going, this would be a last hurrah for a true manual without the missing safety features of say a restored classic (like your SX/4!)

 

[willysmd]

I love towing with my manual JTR. I have hauled my popup camper, U-Haul enclosed trailers, and an auto hauler with my Saab. My only towing complaint is that it takes very little tongue weight to squat the rear enough to shine my lights in everyone's eyes at night. Also sixth gear is useless if you have even slightly more frontal area on your trailer than the truck. Otherwise the transmission and clutch perform fine for towing. I've never had any slipping during towing and I'm over 20k miles now. I suspect that a lot of people that are having issues are either inexperienced with three pedals or aren't good at listening to their vehicles.

 

[PuddleJumper]

So i got a notice that my Jeep has this active recall that has apparently cause some injury and could cause more issues and dangers to other road users and occupants.
I am legitimately worried for the safety of my kids whom i transport in the truck because about a Month or two before getting this notice i started smelling burnt metal inside the cabin periodically when driving up to highway speeds.
It worries me more that they say there is no fix as parts don't exist seeing as it appears to be a design flaw versus faulty parts... do they expect me to drive this thing and just hope it doesn't get worse??? Since I'm smelling the burning, will they do anything for me? Should i cut and run to an auto or something else? Help!

The recall reads as follows:

Vehicles Recalled
• Jeep Wrangler SUVs manufactured between Aug. 23, 2017, and Feb. 16, 2023
• Jeep Gladiator pickup trucks manufactured between Dec. 21, 2018, and Feb. 16, 2023

The problem: Due to a design specification, the clutch pressure plate could fracture due to overheating. If this happens, the hot debris could cause a fire and/or create a road hazard.

The fix: Jeep is currently working on a fix for the issue and will notify owners as soon as it is available.



How to contact the manufacturer: Owners may contact Jeep at 800-853-1403.

@JeepCares if you are out there, your input would help too

NHTSA campaign number: 23V116. Jeep’s own number for this recall is 19A.

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[Slapping_Rabbits]

Same across this thread looking up the recall I just got. It's November 30 2024! Now I had my clutch replaced a year and a half ago and it still burns and still smells for days when it burns. I read somewhere they just want to reprogram something. Seems like they need a different clutch instead right? Part of the problem is when you have a 3k camper and you try to reverse. You know how bad reverse is! Then it burns damnit. Anyone else get the notice recently and follow through with it?

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