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[badtux]

Max tow tows. Towed this trailer at about 4000 lbs gross weight (lots of heavy books at the front of the trailer) with my Sport Max Tow without a problem other than the fact that it accelerated rather slowly pulling that amount of weight behind it. For occasional towing the Gladiator Max Tow is fine. If I was pulling a trailer heavier than 4,000 lbs on a regular basis I'd probably get a truck with a more powerful engine because the Pentastar ain't it.

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[Thistle-twister]

Oh! So it’s like Rubicon when you change everything. I understand now.

 

[ecidiego]

Mojave version Max Tow coming out for desert towing...

The Max Camel Toe.

 

[Jefe1018]

Mojave version Max Tow coming out for desert towing...

The Max Camel Toe.

Just when I thought it couldn't get funnier than post #1.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Oh! So it’s like Rubicon when you change everything. I understand now.

It’s exactly the same as a rubicon, minus rock rails, bed rails, motorized swaybar disconnect, front and rear lockers, off road plus mode, functional hood vents, springs and fox shocks that add approximately 2” lift higher than a sport, 4:1 low range transfer case, steel under bumper skid plate, and a steel rear bumper with two recovery hooks. Please show me any way to buy all of that aftermarket, for less than the price difference between a max tow sport and a rubicon. The numbers just don’t work.

Keep in mind, not everyone needs or will use rubicon features, but the financial argument doesn’t work. If I didn’t use those features they’d be a waste of money, but I do. I would have spent way more building a sport s max tow to where my rubicon is now. Way more.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Oh! So it’s like Rubicon when you change everything. I understand now.

Didn't change nothing but the front springs and for the additional lift and shocks just because they came with the suspension I bought. Other than that they ride pretty much the same from what I could tell from test driving a few and driving a rental for a week. The Max Tows not a stiff ride and the Rubicon is not a soft ride either. The soft ride would be a Overland or Sport S. Both the Rubicon and Max tow have similar spring rating and both can tow the most for that reason.

Not hating on your Rubicon but just trying to provide accurate data.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Max tow tows. Towed this trailer at about 4000 lbs gross weight (lots of heavy books at the front of the trailer) with my Sport Max Tow without a problem other than the fact that it accelerated rather slowly pulling that amount of weight behind it. For occasional towing the Gladiator Max Tow is fine. If I was pulling a trailer heavier than 4,000 lbs on a regular basis I'd probably get a truck with a more powerful engine because the Pentastar ain't it.

Odd, my Overland tows 5,000 pounds without issue..........

Both the Rubicon and Max tow have similar spring rating and both can tow the most for that reason.

Not for springs - they have the wider axles, lower gear ratio, heavier weight rating. You can swap springs around all day, and it won't make one tow any better - might reduce sag from the tongue weight, but won't impact towing otherwise.

 

[Red Hot Sloth]

I have Max Toes, Im sure nobody here can Toe as much as me.

I see, after 18 months, there is still no competition to my Max Toe. Can your Rubicon Toe this much? Doubtful ?

 

[badtux]

Odd, my Overland tows 5,000 pounds without issue..........

Not for springs - they have the wider axles, lower gear ratio, heavier weight rating. You can swap springs around all day, and it won't make one tow any better - might reduce sag from the tongue weight, but won't impact towing otherwise.

Mighty flat land you're driving across there. Now take it over Donner Summit on I-80 between Sacramento and Reno. You'll have trouble maintaining 45mph with the pedal flat against the floorboard.

That said, I'd have no problem pulling that rig with my Max Tow *occasionally*. If I was pulling 5000+ lbs on a regular basis, like several times a week, I'd get something with more engine -- the Pentastar just isn't all that when it comes to torque. Though it did darn good on fuel economy -- I got 15mpg towing that 4K lb trailer at a steady 60mph on mostly flat terrain. The transmission was mostly flickering between 6th and 7th when there were slight hills, and sticking on 7th on the flat. But I didn't try to take it over Donner Summit. That would have been... not so much fun.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Mighty flat land you're driving across there. Now take it over Donner Summit on I-80 between Sacramento and Reno. You'll have trouble maintaining 45mph with the pedal flat against the floorboard.

That said, I'd have no problem pulling that rig with my Max Tow *occasionally*. If I was pulling 5000+ lbs on a regular basis, like several times a week, I'd get something with more engine -- the Pentastar just isn't all that when it comes to torque. Though it did darn good on fuel economy -- I got 15mpg towing that 4K lb trailer at a steady 60mph on mostly flat terrain. The transmission was mostly flickering between 6th and 7th when there were slight hills, and sticking on 7th on the flat. But I didn't try to take it over Donner Summit. That would have been... not so much fun.

Exactly. When I describe my 3300lb trailer, it works well on steep mountain grades at between 8000 and 12000 feet of elevation. In the Midwest less than 1000 feet above sea level, driving through corn fields, I wouldn’t hesitate to tow larger things. I think a trailer should be appropriately sized for the worse end of the driving conditions. 5000 lbs of trailer behind a gladiator in high winds, steep grades, or both, just isn’t realistic.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Mighty flat land you're driving across there.

Have you ever been here?
Obviously not. Not if you call it flat. In my neighborhood, there's roads I take that are 3, 4, even 5% grades. OTR drivers have trouble maintaining speed on parts of I80 east of Newton.

Granted, we don't have mountains, but I have driven mountains and towed with my F250 in mountains - and frankly, this truck would out-pull that 351 any day.
In fact, this does a better job than my LS equipped full-size Silverado did.

So what if you have the engine wound up - that's what these are made for. Too many freak out if they have to drive 1/4 mile at 4,000 rpm. No big deal.
Since these have been tested, and rated, for 6,000 pounds towing - using nasty courses and inclines. I have no hesitation with this. I'm towing 1,000 under the rated towing capacity, and the rating was achieved by passing testing like this -
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1502-sae-j2807-tow-tests-the-standard/

 

[badtux]

5000 lbs of trailer behind a gladiator in high winds, steep grades, or both, just isn’t realistic.

I would say that it is realistic, but not fun. Your engine is wound all the way out, your gas mileage is crap, and you're going 45mph up those grades. We used to tow like that back in the late 1970's when the available engines were so choked by smog equipment that a 400 cu. in. engine had less horsepower than today's Pentastar, but that was then, and this is now. We have more powerful engines available to us now if we want to tow like that.

 

[@californiajeeping]

I had a maxtow 2020 sport S. Now i have a diesel sport s. The max tow handled significantly better. The springs were much stiffer and the wider axles helped with stability.

It was significantly stiffer than a regular sport S and reduced bottoming out offroad.

Aside from that.....really not a big deal. Max towing stiffer springs is great but when the engine has to hit 5k to move its really not a great tow vehicle.

 

[bleda2002]

To get the 7600lb tow rating the truck had to meet the following requirements:
- 0-30 in 12 seconds, 0-60 in 30 seconds, 40-60 in 18 seconds all on flat ground
- It must climb the davis dam grade (up to 7% in sections) with max AC on in 100+ degree temperatures and not fall below 40mph at any time.
- No warning lights, over heating, de ratings during the tow either.
- A truck at max cgwr must stop from 20-0 in under 45 feet if requiring trailer brakes

There are other requirements as well, but people greatly underestimate the capabilities of these trucks and what the tow ratings actually means. These arent the same ratings as pre sae j2807 where there were no real standards just some random number.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

To get the 7600lb tow rating the truck had to meet the following requirements:
- 0-30 in 12 seconds, 0-60 in 30 seconds, 40-60 in 18 seconds all on flat ground
- It must climb the davis dam grade (up to 7% in sections) with max AC on in 100+ degree temperatures and not fall below 40mph at any time.
- No warning lights, over heating, de ratings during the tow either.
- A truck at max cgwr must stop from 20-0 in under 45 feet if requiring trailer brakes

There are other requirements as well, but people greatly underestimate the capabilities of these trucks and what the tow ratings actually means. These arent the same ratings as pre sae j2807 where there were no real standards just some random number.

And you could say the same for any JT level - Overland has the same engine, same transmission, same cooling system, same alternator, same fan, if you order the tow package. The only differences are wider axles and different ratio. That gets you the extra 1600 pounds.
Otherwise, the Overland can be considered to have passed the same tests since it's the same save for the ratio and axle width. So if the Sport S WITH MAX TOW can handle that, so can the Overland with the 6,000 pound rating - and I tow 1,000 under that so I'm not concerned. And I get BETTER mpg than my Chevy with LS ever did. It might get into the upper 11s here in Iowa, my JT gets 13.9 and keeps up the speed limit (towing limit in Iowa is 65) with ease.

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