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The Rubicon with the manual caps out at 4500 lbs. 600 is way over. I'm a manual guy, and love my manual gladiator, but the clutch isn't designed for that much weight, and the transmission gearing would probably make it a slug once you got out of second gear, too.
I know that the spec weight is 4500lbs, but that’s the answer I was looking for. The remaining gearing after the “crawl” 1st and how it would do. I haven’t driven the manual yet and wasn’t sure how much on the spread in ration between gears. Just got most of the max tow items that matter on a rubicon with a tow package.
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I know that the spec weight is 4500lbs, but that’s the answer I was looking for. The remaining gearing after the “crawl” 1st and how it would do. I haven’t driven the manual yet and wasn’t sure how much on the spread in ration between gears. Just got most of the max tow items that matter on a rubicon with a tow package.
3rd is super long, and would theoretically top out at 101 mph, but the speed limiter caps the Rubicon and Mojave to 97. Second ends at 58 on stock tires if you were to redline it. This is assuming Rubicon/Mojave axle ratios. Those speeds are higher on the other models.

With a heavy load, once you get into third, it would be miserable at 6000 lbs. Also, your clutch wouldn't last long. As I said, I love the manual, but it isn't optimizated for heavy towing. With the 3.73 final drive on the non-Rubicons and Mojaves, that tow rating drops down to 4000. I wouldn't go over the 4000 lbs for the 3.73 equipped models, or the 4500 lbs for the 4.1 equipped models. Unfortunately, if you do, you'll be needing the automatic.

Ratios:
1 - 5.13
2 - 2.63
3 - 1.53
4 - 1.00
5 - 0.81
6 - 0.72
R - 4.49
 
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3rd is super long, and would theoretically top out at 98 mph, but the speed limiter caps the gladiator to 97. Second ends at 57 on stock tires if you were to redline it. With a heavy load, once you get into third, it would be miserable at 6000 lbs. Also, your clutch wouldn't last long. As I said, I love the manual, but it isn't optimizated for towing. With the 3.73 final drive on the non Rubicons and Mojaves, that tow rating drops down to 4000. I wouldn't go over the 4000 lbs for the 3.73 equipped models, or the 4500 lbs for the 4.1 equipped models. Unfortunately, if you do, you'll be needing the automatic.
I could see that. I had considered downsizing from my Cummins, but I guess I’ll just reconsider the options list more orientated to what I want and keep the Cummins for towing. Thank you!
 

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I could see that. I had considered downsizing from my Cummins, but I guess I’ll just reconsider the options list more orientated to what I want and keep the Cummins for towing. Thank you!
I added the ratios above, if you're curious. Also, I corrected the top speeds per gear, because the stock tire size is 32.8 inches, I was thinking it was 31.9. That made the speeds even worse!
 

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I added the ratios above, if you're curious.
2.63 to 1.53 that’s a serious jump. 1:1 in 4th and 5/6 are overdrives. That’s not towing friendly gearing, fuel saving for sure though.

compared to a nv6500 (6 speed w/Cummins)


1st 5.63 to 1
2nd 3.38 to 1
3rd 2.04 to 1
4th 1.39 to 1
5th 1 to 1
6th .73 to 1
R 5.63 to one
 

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I know that the spec weight is 4500lbs, but that’s the answer I was looking for. The remaining gearing after the “crawl” 1st and how it would do. I haven’t driven the manual yet and wasn’t sure how much on the spread in ration between gears. Just got most of the max tow items that matter on a rubicon with a tow package.
I'll just toss my $0.02. I have a Sport S with max tow. I helped a friend get his 24' 6100# travel trailer home after his truck's rear blew on the way to the campground. Used my old Equalizer 4P WDH, got everything level and hit the road. It was....well, it towed it. But it wasn't what I consider a pleasant experience. At all. It didn't sway, but you could definitely tell that trailer was on the verge of driving the truck. Side wind had a lot of influence on the tracking of the truck. I kept speeds at 55 max. In my opinion the stock rear suspension is severely under-suspended in the name of comfort with a paper thin rear sway bar. Just too much bounce and wiggle, needs air bags and a beefier sway bar.

Now, if I was towing a car trailer with a car at around 6000-7000 lbs it would probably pull it just fine. But I'd still want bags and a better sway bar.
 

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I'll just toss my $0.02. I have a Sport S with max tow. I helped a friend get his 24' 6100# travel trailer home after his truck's rear blew on the way to the campground. Used my old Equalizer 4P WDH, got everything level and hit the road. It was....well, it towed it. But it wasn't what I consider a pleasant experience. At all. It didn't sway, but you could definitely tell that trailer was on the verge of driving the truck. Side wind had a lot of influence on the tracking of the truck. I kept speeds at 55 max. In my opinion the stock rear suspension is severely under-suspended in the name of comfort with a paper thin rear sway bar. Just too much bounce and wiggle, needs air bags and a beefier sway bar.

Now, if I was towing a car trailer with a car at around 6000-7000 lbs it would probably pull it just fine. But I'd still want bags and a better sway bar.
exactly where my thought went after the first response. I know it could, but should it be done. Plus I work on the road so my camper is job to job with me. Need to hook and go almost anywhere at any moment notice.
 

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2.63 to 1.53 that’s a serious jump. 1:1 in 4th and 5/6 are overdrives. That’s not towing friendly gearing, fuel saving for sure though.

compared to a nv6500 (6 speed w/Cummins)


1st 5.63 to 1
2nd 3.38 to 1
3rd 2.04 to 1
4th 1.39 to 1
5th 1 to 1
6th .73 to 1
R 5.63 to one
Yes, the manual gearing is definitely for gas mileage on the JT and JL. I'm sure it's why, at least on paper, the manual gets better highway mileage despite having two fewer gears. Everything is a tradeoff these days, and they decided to focus on mpgs for 3rd and up, knowing that's where you'll be most of the time, and that it would help EPA highway economy. 1 and 2 are nice and low. And good for crawling, wheeling, and accelerating from a stop. 3rd and above are for fuel efficiency.
 

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exactly where my thought went after the first response. I know it could, but should it be done. Plus I work on the road so my camper is job to job with me. Need to hook and go almost anywhere at any moment notice.
For a 6000# travel trailer I'd go half ton and call it a day. You'll just have a much better experience, in my opinion. I've been yanking travel trailers all over the US for 10 years now. For my own sanity I've come to the conclusion that it's way better to have way more truck than you need when it comes to travel trailers.
 

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This is what you get with just the trailer package ($350)
  • 240-Amp Alternator
  • Class IV Receiver Hitch
  • Heavy-Duty Engine Cooling
  • Trailer Hitch Zoom
This is what comes with the Max Tow ($1245)
  • Trac-Lok® Anti-Spin Rear Differential
  • 4.10 Axle Ratio
  • Heavy-Duty Dana 44 Wide Front Axle
  • Heavy-Duty Dana 44 Wide Rear Axle
  • Daytime Running Lamp System
  • 240-Amp Alternator (Unavailable with some configurations)
  • 245/75R17 All-Terrain Tires (Unavailable with some configurations)
  • Class IV Receiver Hitch (Unavailable with some configurations)
  • Heavy-Duty Engine Cooling (Unavailable with some configurations)
  • Trailer Hitch Zoom (Unavailable with some configurations)
There is no badging for the Max Tow, so there is nothing saying Max Tow other than the sticker. The fenders are the tell for a Max Tow, they have an extra pc. due to the wider Axle.
I just bought a max tow on a Sport, sticker lists standard equipment, and shows 3.73 axels, but in the optional equipment it states 4.10, max tow, heavy Dana 44 axels, my question is outside of the fender flare what can I look at on my truck to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have Max Tow?
 

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I just bought a max tow on a Sport, sticker lists standard equipment, and shows 3.73 axels, but in the optional equipment it states 4.10, max tow, heavy Dana 44 axels, my question is outside of the fender flare what can I look at on my truck to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have Max Tow?
Why bother? You have the paper/window sticker that states clearly max tow. If it states 4.10 ratio and max tow - why question it? It's max tow.

Plug your VIN in here -

https://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/BuildSheetServlet?vin=

Put your VIN (use all caps) after the = or equal sign, and it will give you the build sheet.

But you already have the answer in your hand if you have the sticker.
OPTIONS replace standard equipment. Doesn't matter what the standard side says - if it says 3.73 but the options says 4.10,. you have 4.10
If the options side says max tow, that's what you have.
 

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I just bought a max tow on a Sport, sticker lists standard equipment, and shows 3.73 axels, but in the optional equipment it states 4.10, max tow, heavy Dana 44 axels, my question is outside of the fender flare what can I look at on my truck to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have Max Tow?
I'd just trust that the window sticker is accurate.... but easiest thing to check would just be your door jamb sticker that shows the GVWR and max occupant/cargo weight.
 
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I'd just trust that the window sticker is accurate.... but easiest thing to check would just be your door jamb sticker that shows the GVWR
Isn't that like suggesting something is in the book?
People actually look at that sticker?

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I just bought a max tow on a Sport, sticker lists standard equipment, and shows 3.73 axels, but in the optional equipment it states 4.10, max tow, heavy Dana 44 axels, my question is outside of the fender flare what can I look at on my truck to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have Max Tow?
To be honest, with out being a mech and being able to check the alternator, the only visual is the little extra strip on the fenders.
 

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To be honest, with out being a mech and being able to check the alternator, the only visual is the little extra strip on the fenders.
Or the door decal or the window sticker or the build sheet - all visuals. ;)
Not sure I'd relay on the alternator output as the tell.
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