Metalcloak lift

[Renegade]

This thread has devolved significantly. Both companies make great stuff. I would love to have a MC 3.5 in the front and RK 4-link in the back, with 39” KM3s...but I’ll keep dreaming.

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[MarineHawk]

So, the RK Triangulated 4-link allows for the removal of the rear track bar. But it still uses the rear upper and lower control arms.

Not if you get the RK lift kit. ​

The stock factory rear control arms are not used. The new upper control arms are mounted to the cradle that is mounted to the axel. I was told long ago by several suspension people that the Gladiators weakness in the rear was the location of the mounting points of the control arms to the axle as sacrifices were made for towing capacity by Jeep RK has addressed this with the four link and quad rate springs, so towing, articulation, control and overall ride surpasses stock suspension.

I`m not saying anything bad about MC, just setting things straight that were wrong in the post, if i did not go with RK it would have been MC.

Right. My Rock Krawler JT 3” Pro-X “No Limits” kit replaced all eight stock control arms with eight adjustable control arms.

 

[bcunning82]

I emailed metalcloak and got the following response to some of these questions Their answers in RED:
What is the base-line for the nominal heights of the lifts? I understand this can be a difficult question as every rig is outfitted different, but how do you determine the nominal lift? We account for normal accessories IE: Bumper, winch, rockers, skids…..

As the Rubicon suspension represents a 1" lift over the Sport and overland,Is your nominal lift height lift considered a net add on the Rubicon or Overland/Sport? We do use the Rubicon as a baseline. There has been some debate that the “Maxtow” package sits the same height.

On the 3.5" lift, what is the lift front vs rear? Does it maintain factory rake, decrease rake, level? We base it off the front end. The rake is lowered a bit on the kit as the rear is lifted about 2-2.5”

Do the rear springs maintain factory load ratings? We do maintain the stock load capacity. Be aware that when we did test the stock JT at full load it set the rear down on the bump stops.

Is there plans for a complete Game Changer 2,5" that would lift the front and back? or is the plan to only carry the level kit and the upgrade kit(complete front and rear arms and trackbar), currently on the site, and not change the rear ride height? At this point I do not have a 100% answer for you but if wanted we could to the 2.5” front coils in the 3.5” kit to maintain the stock rake if wanted.

They were very quick to respond and gave me reasonable answers.

I hope this helps some of the questions that may be out there.

 

[WhatExit?]

Yes! OUR trucks did cost a lot of money and each person chooses to incorporate which ever modification they think will best suit them. I think things in this thread got off course in a nice open forum debate. From what I have read, I do believe that you are not backing MC but questioning their marketing and lack of info. If you truly want to help others make an informed opinion, ask NC those questions and post their reply. If you have asked and have gotten no response, which I believe you may have done already, then post that and leave it up to the individual Glad owner to decide.

I’m here to help and inform other Glad owners. There is a wealth of knowledge here on the forum from people who have been there and done that as well rookies and moderate enthusiast as well. We should all be helping to educate and inform. Just my $.02.

as I said before I got the MC because it meets my needs, availability, and Customer service. Additionally, not a knock on RK, I am not an expert Jeep owner, driver, etc. so I am a little leery just jumping in on the 4 link rear end when I do not fully understand the concept.

Great points!

There's plenty of info on this forum (and elsewhere) and people can see what actual owners' experiences have been with the suspension systems.

Over the years of my Jeep experience I have always wondered how people decide it's better for them to piece together suspension systems than use one that's been designed and tested by the aftermarket companies who are responsible <EDIT: and liable> for their products.

 

[Geekjeep]

I emailed metalcloak and got the following response to some of these questions Their answers in RED:
What is the base-line for the nominal heights of the lifts? I understand this can be a difficult question as every rig is outfitted different, but how do you determine the nominal lift? We account for normal accessories IE: Bumper, winch, rockers, skids…..

As the Rubicon suspension represents a 1" lift over the Sport and overland,Is your nominal lift height lift considered a net add on the Rubicon or Overland/Sport? We do use the Rubicon as a baseline. There has been some debate that the “Maxtow” package sits the same height.

On the 3.5" lift, what is the lift front vs rear? Does it maintain factory rake, decrease rake, level? We base it off the front end. The rake is lowered a bit on the kit as the rear is lifted about 2-2.5”

Do the rear springs maintain factory load ratings? We do maintain the stock load capacity. Be aware that when we did test the stock JT at full load it set the rear down on the bump stops.

Is there plans for a complete Game Changer 2,5" that would lift the front and back? or is the plan to only carry the level kit and the upgrade kit(complete front and rear arms and trackbar), currently on the site, and not change the rear ride height? At this point I do not have a 100% answer for you but if wanted we could to the 2.5” front coils in the 3.5” kit to maintain the stock rake if wanted.

They were very quick to respond and gave me reasonable answers.

I hope this helps some of the questions that may be out there.

can send me who you spoke to. I called today and got a very different response. PM me please

 

[WhatExit?]

I emailed metalcloak and got the following response to some of these questions Their answers in RED:
What is the base-line for the nominal heights of the lifts? I understand this can be a difficult question as every rig is outfitted different, but how do you determine the nominal lift? We account for normal accessories IE: Bumper, winch, rockers, skids…..

As the Rubicon suspension represents a 1" lift over the Sport and overland,Is your nominal lift height lift considered a net add on the Rubicon or Overland/Sport? We do use the Rubicon as a baseline. There has been some debate that the “Maxtow” package sits the same height.

On the 3.5" lift, what is the lift front vs rear? Does it maintain factory rake, decrease rake, level? We base it off the front end. The rake is lowered a bit on the kit as the rear is lifted about 2-2.5”

Do the rear springs maintain factory load ratings? We do maintain the stock load capacity. Be aware that when we did test the stock JT at full load it set the rear down on the bump stops.

Is there plans for a complete Game Changer 2,5" that would lift the front and back? or is the plan to only carry the level kit and the upgrade kit(complete front and rear arms and trackbar), currently on the site, and not change the rear ride height? At this point I do not have a 100% answer for you but if wanted we could to the 2.5” front coils in the 3.5” kit to maintain the stock rake if wanted.

They were very quick to respond and gave me reasonable answers.

I hope this helps some of the questions that may be out there.

Most of these seem to be related to the rear springs. There’s always the option of sticking with the factory rear springs.

 

[WhiteJT8541]

Most of these seem to be related to the rear springs. There’s always the option of sticking with the factory rear springs.

Or using someone else’s spring.

 

[WhiteJT8541]

Had my MC 3.5” installed. Paired with Falcon 3.3’s. Running Nitto 35x12.5x17 on Pro Comp La Paz series 39 wheels with 4.5” bs.

 

[MrGoodPark]

How does it ride with those Falcons? I was thinking if getting the same ones with my 3.5 GC.

 

[WhiteJT8541]

How does it ride with those Falcons? I was thinking if getting the same ones with my 3.5 GC.

How does it ride with those Falcons? I was thinking if getting the same ones with my 3.5 GC.

So far, great. Have to really spend some time and dial in the adjustment since it has all those settings. I only have about 15 miles on it so far.

 

[Renegade]

So far, great. Have to really spend some time and dial in the adjustment since it has all those settings. I only have about 15 miles on it so far.

You got the SP2 version, correct?

 

[WhiteJT8541]

You got the SP2 version, correct?

Yes, the SP2 version.

 

[davetha]

We threw mine on an RTI ramp to cycle the suspension a bit. 3 bump stops was barely clipping the fender near the signal light. 4 bump stops was the same, if not worst because of how it hits. Granted this was an extreme scenario.

 

[sass JT]

So far, great. Have to really spend some time and dial in the adjustment since it has all those settings. I only have about 15 miles on it so far.

For the sp2, did you leave it in performance or snow/soft ?

 

[WhiteJT8541]

For the sp2, did you leave it in performance or snow/soft ?

I think it’s set on 3 and 8 right now.

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