Mojave Harsh Ride after OEM Steel Bumper and Warn Zeon S10 install

[whiteglad]

The Arcus with my older model HF 12k winch added 101 lb and dropped the front end 3/8 inch measured at the front of the fenders. Ride is about the same.

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[jav_eee]

You added a shit ton of weight to the front end.

Short, simple, and to the point. I like it.

 

[Joe Gladiator]

I have the same set up steel bumper with a 10S winch, i added 2" front spacer but it still hits the long bump stop on speed bumps if i go fast enough, ill look into different front shocks. and ya the ride did get stiffer which is expected adding more weight to the front end.

 

[Iddpaul]

You've changed the OEM suspension ride zone so you should expect some change (weight dependent). I just removed the "plastic/steel" OEM front bumper from my Rubicon and replaced it with a Next Venture bumper/skid/Warn Zeon 10s. I was also checking the new weight difference. The OEM "plastic/steel" bumper weighed approx 40lbs (including the factory skid), I added the new bumper/skid at 106lbs and the Zeon/synthetic at 75lbs, so increased the front weight by 141lbs. Dropped the front by about 1/2", this will affect the suspension ride zone so a correction is in order - spacers or a lift.

 

[SAReis]

See if you can source the 2024 Mojave X springs and whether or not they are compatible. The Mojave X has steel front and rear bumpers same as a loaded Rubicon so I'm sure they altered the springs for this hopefully they did not change the shocks

Interesting idea, I did not know about the X. Thanks!

 

[SAReis]

Do you by any chance know the weight difference between the factory plastic bumper and arcus, sans winch?

If I remember, it was about 30 or 40lbs diff.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Add a 1" spacer to get the shocks and springs back in their intended ride zone. Are you into the bump stops often?

That'll do the shocks, but the springs will still be compressed - but on a mono-rate spring, it only means you hit minimum more often, not change the ride. Multiple or dual rate springs, you are then into the higher spring rate making the ride different.

Depending on the winch plate you added that's another 35-40 lbs

I'm pretty sure my Bulldog winch plate isn't anywhere close to that. And it's STOUT and thick.

The Mojave shocks have a very narrow bypass zone,

That's interesting - why would that be different? They are built for long suspension travel over dunes and such......... maybe I'm not thinking it through.

 

[toddarama]

Maybe lay off the Hash? ?

 

[Mojave Nunzio]

Maybe lay off the Hash? ?

Maybe pass it around

 

[Zachanadandy]

That's interesting - why would that be different? They are built for long suspension travel over dunes and such......... maybe I'm not thinking it through.

Unfortunately they aren't nearly as long travel as I'd like at only 8". The bypass is set up to get a lot stiffer under compression to avoid bottoming out. I wouldn't imagine you'd be into that with only a 1" drop in front ride height but you'd be an inch closer. Hitting even moderate bumps could then put you into the stiffest zone making for a harsh ride. With as dialed as the suspension feels stock, anything that changes ride height leads to a need to address shock ride height and bump stops. That's why I chose the AEV kit specifically. 2" spacer raising the ride height combined with 2" bump stop extensions and 2" shock extensions should put everything back in unison at the new height.

 

[bleda2002]

Unfortunately they aren't nearly as long travel as I'd like at only 8". The bypass is set up to get a lot stiffer under compression to avoid bottoming out. I wouldn't imagine you'd be into that with only a 1" drop in front ride height but you'd be an inch closer. Hitting even moderate bumps could then put you into the stiffest zone making for a harsh ride. With as dialed as the suspension feels stock, anything that changes ride height leads to a need to address shock ride height and bump stops. That's why I chose the AEV kit specifically. 2" spacer raising the ride height combined with 2" bump stop extensions and 2" shock extensions should put everything back in unison at the new height.

Right, all bypass shocks are only "bypass" in a certain ride range and usually it's less than 2 inches of travel. The bypass range is for the small and smallish bumps to smooth it out but being an inch lower now the smallish bumps will start hitting the stiffer sections as mentioned and you will notice a much different ride over sections that before wouldn't unsettle it.

I'm also wondering if the Mojave front springs are progressive, if so then 100lbs could be putting it in to a stiffer range as well.

 

[KevinC]

I'm also wondering if the Mojave front springs are progressive, if so then 100lbs could be putting it in to a stiffer range as well.

I have a Mojave and from looking at the springs, I would say no they are not progressive rate.

KevinC

 

[whiteglad]

Harbor Freight 12k winch #61256 with steel cable 67.4 lb. Control box with cables 4.8 lb. Warn iron hawse 6.8 lb. HF roller fairlead 9 lb. Stock plastic/steel back bumper with fog lights 34 lb. Arcus hooks 20 lb. Arcus facing 15.6 lb. Arcus winch plate 22.2 lb.

 

[SAReis]

Interesting idea, I did not know about the X. Thanks!

Mojave X parts are unavailable at this point.

 

[SAReis]

I have a Mojave and from looking at the springs, I would say no they are not progressive rate.

KevinC

Feels more like a valving thing to me. Maybe it a slow vs fast valving. I could be talking out of my butt on this. I am pulling from my motocross days and rebuilding forks.

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