Oh Jeep... Why you so backwards?

[ShadowsPapa]

In the early 70's, the Goobermint decreed all motorcycles must have the same shift pattern and location. Neutral between 1 and 2 with a press downward to first from neutral and a lift up for 2 and higher. So the pull of the Jeep shifter to upshift seems natural to me. Any one use a heel/toe shift lever on their motorcycle? Same thing.

My last bike, a Yamaha Maxim 750, was a basic toe shifter. I never saw it as forward or rearward, only up and down. Down for downshift, up for upshift........... which matches back for down, forward for up, IMO.

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[ShadowsPapa]

If the manual mode is controlled by switch contacts, reverse the wiring and Voila!! Another Life Hack.

Gottta love that one.

My youngest son was a cartoon and superhero nut. And Jason's solution to any situation or predicament was always "just reverse the polarity, that always works".

 

[MrZappo]

In the early 70's, the Goobermint decreed all motorcycles must have the same shift pattern and location. Neutral between 1 and 2 with a press downward to first from neutral and a lift up for 2 and higher. So the pull of the Jeep shifter to upshift seems natural to me. Any one use a heel/toe shift lever on their motorcycle? Same thing.

I don't get how a motorcycle sequential gearbox foot shifter has anything to do with this.

 

[Levi.Butler]

True - but those are for racing and how many here take their cars to the track with a sequential shift manual?
These are automatics and automatics have always been back for down.
Guys who argue that these are normal always reference race equipment, not normal cars and trucks as they came factory.

We are talking production normal vehicles, not what you see watching races on TV LOL - that's a funny argument "watch on TV".
How many here drive such vehicles on a REGULAR basis? How many here grew up with cars with floor shifts that had reverse pattern?
Ya know why they are called reverse pattern valve bodies? Because they are BACKWARDS from production, backwards from NORMAL automatics.
These are not quarter mile track trucks with inline manual shifters. These aren't race trucks, they are ordinary production vehicles, why do people keep claiming it's normal because RACE vehicles shift that way?

Show me a production car with an automatic where D or 3rd or high is at the back and low is forward.
Go look at Mustang, Camaro, whatever. Low is back, D or high gear is forward. I have a NOS mustang automatic shifter in my shop. 1, 2, 3, as you move forward.

And for those comparing to inline manual shifters - show me a production car that most people have owned or driven with high gear to the rear. I don't mean racing or performance or a Mercedes or BMW - I mean something the majority of people have owned or driven.

Funny, now we're comparing Gladiators to race and rally vehicles.

Papa... I respect you. I think your heart is in the right place but you are just wrong.

These shifters replicate a sequential shifter. It sits in a neutral position, waiting input from the driver to shift either up or down. It doesn't ratchet from one position to another like the transmissions you are attempting to compare it to.

Even in a slow moving offroad situation, the current setup makes the most sense.

If I am downshifting, I am more often than not going to be leaning a little more forward than normal and going downhill. Weight shifted forward with gravity also pulling me forward. Why on earth would I want to have to pull a shifter back to downshift in that situation?

All of the above is inversely true when going uphill looking for more speed.

The way the shifter is setup is correct, no matter how many people attempt to claim otherwise on the internet.

 

[legacy_etu]

Agreed, it's backwards .

 

[Free2roam]

All cars ever produced in the USA with floor shift automatics you pull BACK to downshift, push forward to upshift. Only the guys that put in reverse pattern valve bodies for racing have it the other way. Production automatics were always back for down, forward for up.

You don't push forward on the throttle of an airplane or tractor to slow down.......

The term I believe in an airplane is "firewalling it" meaning full throttle as you push the throttle forward it goes towards the firewall.

 

[Levi.Butler]

I don't get how a motorcycle sequential gearbox foot shifter has anything to do with this.

Because it sits in a neutral position and waits for input from the operator. Just like the shifter in our trucks. It doesn't behave like the shifter in your old shitboxes because it wasn't meant to.

 

[Gvsukids]

Same arguments already made https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...se-the-manual-shifter-on-the-automatic.34789/

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[Willys2Gladiator]

In racing pulling back to upshift is normal. Watch some rally racing. I thought the other way was backwards.

Exactly! Jeep has it correct. Watch any big league drag racing it's always pull back to upshift.

 

[Rockabillyroy]

Is there a tuner that remedies this?

From the dawn of creation, upshifting an automatic transmission was done by pushing the shifter towards the firewall in the natural motion that God intended. Conversely, downshifting was done in a pulling motion.

Anyone else having difficulty making the shift?

I knew what this was about before even clicking on the link. Hahah

Used it yesterday. Soooo annoying compared to my old JKU.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Mustang shifters - 2011, 2005, etc. - so it's not just really old stuff.

A performance shifter - from TCI - (they make racing products for automatic transmissions among other things)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Exactly! Jeep has it correct. Watch any big league drag racing it's it's always pull back to upshift.

Only in racing. So now the Gladiator is a RACE TRUCK LOL

Unreal that instead of comparing to what everyone drives normally, people have to hit the track to justify the pattern. So who here drives a RACE CAR on the track every weekend and is used to RACE shifters? How many Jeep owners are weekend warriors on the track?

 

[Kblanton]

I don't seem to have any trouble with my manual gearbox............

 

[Levi.Butler]

Mustang shifters - 2011, 2005, etc. - so it's not just really old stuff.

A performance shifter - from TCI - (they make racing products for automatic transmissions among other things)

Those are ratcheting shifters. You guys are literally asking 'Why doesn't this orange taste like an apple?!?!'

 

[syreeves]

This issue has infuriated a previous generation of "tiptronic" users already. VW group went "tip forward for upshifts" and BMW went "tip backwards for upshifts." Jeep appears to have sided with team BMW.

I understand that sequential shifters work more like BMW and that an argument can be made that the BMW style is correct but I think there is no "correct" answer. Once you pick a way that feels right to you going the other way seems wrong. For the record my first manually shifted automatic was a 6sp DSG in a 2008 VW GTI. My wife's Volvo XC90 follows the same convention as VW group. So as far as I am concerned Jeep has it wrong. But I fixed that by buying the 6MT. Which truly has the CORRECT SHIFT PATTERN. Lets be honest - if its not an H pattern you are just playing video games ?

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