Oil Capacity - This is Strange?

[MrZappo]

1) Drain for (a while)
2) put plug back (close to proper torque spec)
3) Replace filter (brand mostly irrelevant)
4) Put in 5 quart jug of 0w20 that meets Chrysler spec (Brand mostly irrelevant)

Drive and be happy ...

Check level ... (sometime between changes)

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[ShadowsPapa]

Lol, im not concerned about being over or under? Where in my post did i say i was trying to be exact? It just serves me as a guide. As far as youtube, you think ill watch a video that hardly has any views or comments and take it as fact or the right way? ?

Then why are you bothering with all the extra steps instead of simply putting 5 quarts back in?

Doesn't matter how many views - some of the stuff has thousands but is just not right. That's because there's a lot of dumb gullible people out there that will watch them and not know better and gee, that's cool. Like "influencers" - no one says the stuff has to be correct, just popular and just get a lot of views. Number of views doesn't make it right. It just means there's that many that don't know any better and the YT generation is making things worse by relying on it.
I've watched welding videos out there with thousands of hits, hundreds of followers - and the guy is a dope with gas cans sitting just feet away from his welding. And the place he welds in is a death trap if he ever had an accident. But - people love it because of his personality.
Want proof of the stupidity of youtube and fakebook and instacrap and YT - anyone who puts gorilla glue in her hair........ or some of the other crazy things - some of the things I see as advice for brakes youtube should absolutely take down and ban.

Sometimes fewer views is better these days. Right is not always popular. Comments any idiot out there can make. Some of the stuff in the comments areas is actually quite entertaining - if not deadly.

Sometimes I look up videos just to see the comments and remind myself how the internet truly is the misinformation stupid highway.

 

[MrZappo]

The internet is not a source of truth ??? Huh ? What ? Say it isn't so !!!

That's where I learned that premium fuel will make my truck last longer and go faster ... Damn, ive wasted so much money ...

 

[SelfmodJT]

As much bad content as there is, there

Then why are you bothering with all the extra steps instead of simply putting 5 quarts back in?

Doesn't matter how many views - some of the stuff has thousands but is just not right. That's because there's a lot of dumb gullible people out there that will watch them and not know better and gee, that's cool. Like "influencers" - no one says the stuff has to be correct, just popular and just get a lot of views. Number of views doesn't make it right. It just means there's that many that don't know any better and the YT generation is making things worse by relying on it.
I've watched welding videos out there with thousands of hits, hundreds of followers - and the guy is a dope with gas cans sitting just feet away from his welding. And the place he welds in is a death trap if he ever had an accident. But - people love it because of his personality.
Want proof of the stupidity of youtube and fakebook and instacrap and YT - anyone who puts gorilla glue in her hair........ or some of the other crazy things - some of the things I see as advice for brakes youtube should absolutely take down and ban.

Sometimes fewer views is better these days. Right is not always popular. Comments any idiot out there can make. Some of the stuff in the comments areas is actually quite entertaining - if not deadly.

Sometimes I look up videos just to see the comments and remind myself how the internet truly is the misinformation stupid highway.

Lol, cause i have to pour it into a container so i can take it to autozone? I guess just pour it down the drain? What extra step am i taking? Please advise?

 

[SelfmodJT]

So your taking the time to write a book because i just said i have the same empty 5 qt container of the oil i bought and i pour the old oil in it and pour the same amount in as a guide reference. Then i return the filled one back to autozone and save the one i just used for the next change. Ahhhh, so the extra step is just looking at how much was poured into the old container.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

What extra step am i taking? Please advise?

You are looking at what came out and trying to pour that exact amount back in.
Why bother doing that - why compensate for what stays in the engine?
Drain the oil into a container for recycling - hell yes, but then just buy 5 quarts and pour in those 5 quarts.

You say you are compensating for what didn't drain out - WHY?

Drain it, put the plug in, put in 5 quarts.
Why compare the containers of old and new?
Unless you are doing research to find out how much oil doesn't really drain out. But then, how do you know the mark o the stick is EXACTLY 5 quarts?
Maybe send the dipstick over to Denver, the national bureau of standards, or have your oil you bought measured to have it checked to make sure you got EXACTLY 5 quarts. And in the end, cut open the container and use a spatula to get out every last drop of new oil but then you'd be over-filling because not all the oil drained out.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The internet is not a source of truth ??? Huh ? What ? Say it isn't so !!!

That's where I learned that premium fuel will make my truck last longer and go faster ... Damn, ive wasted so much money ...

Are we being trolled?

 

[MrZappo]

Are we being trolled?

Not sure but damn I'm trying !

 

[foo.c]

Oil expands and contracts with temperature, that's why there's a range and not a must be filled to here line.

If you fill it to the top cold, it will be overfull hot. Probably won't hurt anything though.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

5 quarts takes mine to the full line.
5 quarts on all of my vehicles takes it to the full line.
I've never had one yet that wasn't at the line with the recommended number of quarts.

Normally checking hot means oil will still be up in the engine and by the time you let it settle, like you should do - it's cooled down some bit.

 

[foo.c]

I haven't actually a done an oil change on one of the newer p* yet. If it's anywhere in the range after 5 qts, I'm calling it good.

 

[joeym7]

You do what my dealer does - fills it to EXACTLY full on the stick. That's why the papers say "6 quarts" because anything over the exact quart mark gets recorded, it doesn't mean they put 6 in it.
I asked them about it first oil change and they explained THEIR methodology.
I have ALWAYS filled my cars exactly to the full mark. That's why I may have a bottle of oil that's got just a little bit out of it.

Sometimes you have to watch for wrong dipsticks, changed parts and so on.
Here's the kicker - they don't make filters to hold exact specific amounts of oil, some retain more, some retain less, when shut down. (at least the old style filters) and pans aren't precise medical or scientific instruments. They may say "5 quarts" so that a person can go out and buy 5 quarts and put it in and be fine, but there's no harm in filling to the fill mark right on the money, either.
If you have an AMC V8 engine you may put 6 quarts in it because they are known for poor oil drain-back issues. I could run mine hard, high RPM for an extended period, then hit the brakes for a stop sign - and cause the light to come on. Solution - 6 quarts. Dozens if not hundreds of us do that.
I guess I don't see what the heck the big deal is if someone wants to fill the JT's engine to the full mark no matter what it takes., 4.9 or 5.2. Who cares - if it's not OVER the full mark, how can it be an issue. Engine capacities are typically generalizations anyway, approximations.
It says 5 quarts, so buy 5 and a filter, change the oil, call it good. If you want it to the full mark, who gives a crap? Fill it to the full mark if your OCD dictates you do that.

I got my first change last week, I asked the service writer before hand, he told me 5, the after service paper work says 6.. When I looked at it at home (not an exact flat surface but close, front-end a tiny lower) it was fill to the tippet-top of the cross marks on the stick. Sounds like what you got too.

That said, there have been times over the years that my STS had too much oil in it after a service. I have not had any problems though...How much does it have to be overfilled to really cause a problem (by quarts)?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

How much "overage" an engine can tolerate varies by engine.
Obviously the 3.6 in the Gladiator can tolerate 6 quarts without issue as a number of forum members have stated that their dealer put in 6 (did they, or did the invoice state 6 and it was really 5.2 but they listed 6 as they always round IP, or was it really a full quart over by the stick measure?)
If you figure that only a fraction of total Gladiator owners are forum members, and forum members are more likely than the general population to change their own oil, then you have to figure that there have been many of these out there that have ended up with 6 quarts in them - and yet there's no discussion of lost oil pressure, oil foaming, or damage.
These have a pretty nice windage tray in them.
So it's my educated "guess" that these will handle 6 quarts without damage, but I do not advocate running that much once it's noted that they are actually a full quart over full.
If it's a bit over the full mark, I personally won't sweat it at all.

If you look backwards to the late 60s through the early 1980s, we can say that not only would the AMC GenII V8 handle 6 quarts, many of us added an extra quart on purpose as those engines had a habit of not letting oil drain back to the sump very quickly. A good hard run on the interstate, then coming to a quick stop at the end of a ramp might see the oil light come on or at least flicker. Oil was "stuck" up high in the engine, on the heads, in the valley, and took time to drain back down. On a good high speed run, you could almost suck the sump dry. If it was full it wasn't a huge trouble, but once they used a bit of oil and you were under 5 quarts by a bit, I had it happen. Get down to the add mark and you could by in trouble if you ran it really hard. (normal highway speeds were about 3,000 RPM in high gear)

Some others may foam up if they were a quart or more over full but everything I have owned could tolerate being up to 1 quart over.
Most modern engines run things so close, so tight, with very little room between moving or spinning parts and the sump they run windage trays to prevent whipping the oil into a froth.

In short I don't sweat the 3.6 of the Gladiator being 1 quart over - I'd drop it back to 5 but I would not be in a panic. I'd simply get it back to 5 at my first opportunity.

 

[joeym7]

Very comprehensive answer, thanks SP!

 

[jimbom]

5 quarts takes mine to the full line.
5 quarts on all of my vehicles takes it to the full line.
I've never had one yet that wasn't at the line with the recommended number of quarts.

Normally checking hot means oil will still be up in the engine and by the time you let it settle, like you should do - it's cooled down some bit.

I did my first oil & filter change on my Jeep last week. I only had a 5 qt jug to put in, so I figured I'd buy a qt to top it off later, if needed. After warming it up and giving it 10 minutes to settle back in the pan, it was only about 3/4 up the hashed marks. After sitting overnight, it was exactly at the top.

So, it seems to me no dealer is going to really know if it's truly going to show full on the dipstick. I also suspect they claim 6 qts, regardless of what they actually put in, just to squeeze a few more bucks out of each customer.

I also question if they really know how much they've added? They're not using bottles or jugs, are they?

I had "oil changes for life" on my Ram and the dealer overfilled it, by a lot, every single time. Not sure if that was the cause, but had a valve cover leak about two years in (covered by warranty.)

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