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I'm treating my ecodiesel like a Honda. Since new, i've been using the cheapest QS oil and cheapest def fluids from multiple brands. Fuel additive only when i remember or feels like it lol. OEM filters though. Zero issues so far, guess I'm just lucky.
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I have bird dogs, and have a Garmin tracking collar that has InReach built in, so I can text from anywhere. I also recently got starlink for my camper when I'm camping remotely.
 

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I'm treating my ecodiesel like a Honda. Since new, i've been using the cheapest QS oil and cheapest def fluids from multiple brands. Fuel additive only when i remember or feels like it lol. OEM filters though. Zero issues so far, guess I'm just lucky.
It sounds like you're happy with your decisions and willing to live with the consequences. I can't fault you for that.
 

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I have bird dogs, and have a Garmin tracking collar that has InReach built in, so I can text from anywhere. I also recently got starlink for my camper when I'm camping remotely.
Starlink is on my list as well. We spend a lot of time camping in dead zones.

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It sounds like you're happy with your decisions and willing to live with the consequences. I can't fault you for that.
I beleive a well designed engine shouldn't needs expensive oil or special fluid to be reliable. If it does, it should reveal it self within the 5yr warranty. I have another 5 months left and planning on keeping it pass that. I'll be sure to post issues if any.
 
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I had one of the original key fobs fail. After taking it apart, I noticed that one of the contacts had separated. Since the truck is a daily driver, I decided it was time to order two new Mopar key fobs. I then used AlfaOBD to program them.

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Very cool, a friend lost his key recently and he was quoted like 700€ for 1xneww key and programmin g that one, albeit insurance wants him to replace both keys and reprogram the system so the lost one is out pf the system... so you can imagine... heck, I will need to spend some time reading up on doing this myself also.
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I beleive a well designed engine shouldn't needs expensive oil or special fluid to be reliable.
Before we get into expensive oils, we first need to talk about the correct oil. The oil that you're using isn't designed for a long lasting DPF. Based on SAE studies, the difference between 0.6% and 1.0% SAPS can increase DPF life as much as 270%. What does that mean in the real-world? Well, we've seen several 3rd Gen EcoDiesel owners having to replace their DPFs by 120,000 miles because they were full of ash. The folks running a low ash oil can log 300,000 miles on the factory DPF. When the DPF begins to fill with ash, you'll experience more frequent regens and robbed power (backpressure from restricted DPF). More frequent regens means increased fuel consumption and lower efficiency.

There are many 3rd gen EcoDiesel owners who get caught in the trap of believing that finding a cheaper off-the-shelf oil (e.g., Castrol Euro, Quaker State, etc.) is a great solution. A full SAPS oil is only going to cause more problems in the long run. Will a full SAPS oil get you past the 5 years/100,000-mile warranty period? Yes.
 

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I beleive a well designed engine shouldn't needs expensive oil or special fluid to be reliable.
Expensive, no. Quality, yes.
Love the video Lake did comparing expensive "boutique" or big fancy named oil to off the shelf oil from NAPA and Walmart.

The executive summary - the $10 oils didn't do any better than the $5 oils. In fact, the NAPA oil did amazingly well in wear and other areas.
 

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Based on SAE studies, the difference between 0.6% and 1.0% SAPS can increase DPF life as much as 270%. What does that mean in the real-world? Well, we've seen several 3rd Gen EcoDiesel owners having to replace their DPFs by 120,000 miles because they were full of ash. The folks running a low ash oil can log 300,000 miles on the factory DPF.
I didn't care too much about the details of the oil component resp. composition for our engines and just took the recommended oil which I found in the oil thread and is available to me.
That was Ravenol VST. Now I checked and it figured out that it has SAPS of 1,1.

My suggestion would be to delete Ravenol VST from the recommended oil list and replace it with Ravenol VMO which has a SAPS of 0,77. I will definitely use it for the next oil change.
 

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I didn't care too much about the details of the oil component resp. composition for our engines and just took the recommended oil which I found in the oil thread and is available to me.
The Chrysler recommendation is the crux of the issue. Most of the MS-12991 oils are going to be full SAPS. Amsoil MS doesn't have the MS-12991 designation, but it's one of the best oils we can find in terms of longevity (shear stable), low wear rates, and lower SAPs. The Gen 3 engine is very hard on oil, which is why Stellantis changed the oil specification.

Some diesel owners are more concerned about warranty. Others are more concerned about performance, longevity, and overall protection. Amsoil MS has shown to have up to 20% lower wear rates at 10,000-mile intervals than Quaker State at 5,000-mile intervals, plus you're extending your DPF by 100%!
 
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I'm treating my ecodiesel like a Honda. Since new, i've been using the cheapest QS oil and cheapest def fluids from multiple brands. Fuel additive only when i remember or feels like it lol. OEM filters though. Zero issues so far, guess I'm just lucky.
I did the same, 10-11,000 mile change intervals, no fuel additives, no trans fluid or filter ever.

Truck went 445,000 miles lol.
 

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The Chrysler recommendation is the crux of the issue. Most of the MS-12991 oils are going to be full SAPS. Amsoil MS doesn't have the MS-12991 designation, but it's one of the best oils we can find in terms of longevity (shear stable), low wear rates, and lower SAPs. The Gen 3 engine is very hard on oil, which is why Stellantis changed the oil specification.

Some diesel owners are more concerned about warranty. Others are more concerned about performance, longevity, and overall protection. Amsoil MS has shown to have up to 20% lower wear rates at 10,000-mile intervals than Quaker State at 5,000-mile intervals, plus you're extending your DPF by 100%!
Where do you find SAPs? I never see it listed unless it's labeld something else.
 

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I did the same, 10-11,000 mile change intervals, no fuel additives, no trans fluid or filter ever.

Truck went 445,000 miles lol.
To be fair, the gen 2 EcoDiesel is not picky about oil. It's oil recommendation/specification already lists a low SAPS oil. Rotella T6 isn't high quality oil, but it could easily stay in specification for 10,000-mile intervals on a stock truck. We've seen Rotella T6 survive longer intervals on a deleted truck. Below, you'll see T6 lasing 14,000, 16,000, 18,557, 21,159, 25,607, and even 27,419-mile intervals!

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Where do you find SAPs? I never see it listed unless it's labeld something else.
That's a good question. When low-ash oil was developed back in 2006, the industry set a limit to mandate a maximum sulfated ash of 1% for all CJ-4 spec oils. So, there wasn't a requirement to list "low ash" on the oil bottles when we know that all CK-4 oils are below 1%. Sometimes manufacturers will list the SAPS content on their website under their specification or technical page.
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