The Baxter Oil Filter Solution...has anyone that added it had a camshaft failure?

[dos0711]

This is a question of curiosity...has anyone that has added the Baxter solution experienced a camshaft/follower failure? Looking for facts not opinions.

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[Blizzard]

curious as well

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Looking for facts not opinions.

The internet may not be the place to look then.

 

[Hootbro]

Yeah, unless someone installed that almost when vehicle was bought new, that is going to be a hard thing to measure if it mitigate it or not.

I installed a Baxter Performance Adapter at 3.5K miles and currently at 10K. I have no clue if it will mitigate anything or not. Even if I have no issue 100K+ miles, most without the adapter will achieve the same thing.

It really needs to be long term laboratory tested at a facility like Southwest Research Institute or similar that can monitor and control all the variables to prove out the device being a mitigation factor. Even then, it comes back to understanding what is causing the RH Intake Cam issue to begin with?

 

[Flyin6]

I added the Baxter mod years ago. I have had zero filter/cam/engine issues.

 

[Badunit]

If we knew what the problem was, it wouldn't take an extensive mileage test or a poll of users to see if the Baxter adaptor solves it. Too bad we can't easily do some simple monitoring like looking at how many seconds until the cam lobes get oil sprayed on them at start up, which I suppose is something the unit would speed up. It isn't like the old days when you could run the engine with the valve cover off and see what was going on.

 

[SRFRAT67]

I wasn't aware of the CAM issues when I bought my 24 Gladiator but a work peer who has a JL rubicon told me about the supposed dry start and the Baxter, now I don't know if it will make a difference, and watching my oil temp and pressure on start up and reading countless threads here on both subjects just adds more questions to the mix on the root cause of these failures. in my case I installed the baxter after I did an oil change at 500 miles. I change my own oil and filter every 3500 mi using the recommended oil and MOPAR filter, probably overkill but hey, its cheap insurance IMO and buy in bulk on amazon. I am currently at just over 26K with no issues. I hope I never experience the cam failure issue but if I do, depending on mileage and if I have any warranty left will do a 5.7 or 392 swap, which is the long term plan anyway.

 

[dos0711]

I did an oil change at 500 miles just be make sure there weren't any machining remnants floating around. 5,000 mile oil changes after that and currently have 28,000 miles without a tick and without a Baxter.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I did my first oil change at 10,300 miles, my second at 20,786 miles, and my third at 30,104 miles and am at 32,987 miles with no Baxter oil filter and no issues.

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It's all anecdotal, not science.

 

[Badunit]

I suppose there will be no anecdotes of "I have a Baxter and experienced a cam failure" for some time to come. The likely reasons are 1) small population of Baxter users, 2) low mileage so far, and 3) not as common a problem at low mileage as the Internet makes it out to be. Or it works. If anyone does speak up with a failure then we have questions of what was the mileage at install, what was the mileage at failure, what oil, how often was it changed, etc. Still, it would be interesting to hear if anyone, anyone at all, has had a failure after installing a Baxter filter conversion.

 

[yoda13]

Even though it is not scientific, I am curious as well…

I am at almost 53,000 miles. I have had the jeep since 31,000 miles. It does weird stuff on cold starts, in the fall winter, and early spring. Now that summer is here, it does nothing. At idle it purrs just as well as my last one. Mechanic with a stethoscope has listened to it running once warmed, and cannot hear anything abnormal. None of the dealers in my area will look at it without a check engine light. No Baxter for me at this point.

 

[drrags]

Well, yeah, I suppose me. I installed a Baxter on my 2018 JK at around 50,000 miles and had to have a head replacement at 59,960 miles. I was within the mileage for warranty, but not within the 5 year time period. The cam phasers were not replaced at the time and now now one of them is getting noisy. I change oil at 3 - 5,000 miles.

An argument can be made that there was already 50,000 miles of wear when I installed it, and I think that's valid; however, I am not installing one in my Gladiator.

 

[StevieY1]

The Baxter reports to change the dry start period from a full three seconds down to 1.5 seconds - because the filter no longer drops the oil into the crankcase - this is a mitigation device and theoretically it should HELP imho.

Does it WORK? Thats a totally different question but safe to say IT DOESN’T HURT!

 

[NorthCountry]

If you were to install the Baxter and the cam did go. Would it affect the warranty? I know you can take it off. But if your rig just died and you had to have it towed to the dealership. Then what?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I did my first oil change at 10,300 miles, my second at 20,786 miles, and my third at 30,104 miles and am at 32,987 miles with no Baxter oil filter and no issues.

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It's all anecdotal, not science.

Even if someone had a failure with it - there's no evidence of anything, unlike said, it was installed before the vehicle left the dealer's lot. That's the ONLY tell.

Yes, it can't hurt. it replaces a fragile plastic housing that people tend to BREAK. That's a good thing.
That it's got going for it - on the other hand - for the valve train - you aren't putting pressure on the parts that go bad before oil sprays.
The part that goes out is only under load above 3,000 RPM - so unless you start it at that RPM or higher.......... it's not going to matter.

So you gain 1.5 seconds, I really have to laugh at that because again, there's no pressure on those parts, no wear taking place, and I do question the 3 seconds as if you watch the oil pressure on these when you start them, the pressure is almost as fast as the engine fires.

Can't hurt. But the science is against any help.

As far as the filter draining - people forget that many of the oil galleries will still have oil in them. (including lash adjusters and many other areas). If you have taken apart an engine that was recently shut down, you are going to get oil all over. You are talking about maybe 8 ounces of oil to fill that filter housing, pump starting in high volume/high pressure mode as the engine fires.

Can't say I'd say "don't do it" - but if you are hoping for a solution, well............

I did my first oil change at 10,300 miles, my second at 20,786 miles, and my third at 30,104 miles and am at 32,987 miles with no Baxter oil filter and no issues.

See?

It's all anecdotal, not science.

3 Gladiators with the PUG and 3 Grand Cherokees with that engine - driven all over the place, all around the country. No failures.

The only Baxter users that would matter in the OPs great question would be those who installed it immediately - not after 500 or 1,000 miles.

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