Why do you like or dislike Auto start stop (ESS)?

[Bobh62000]

I may have missed it but has anyone thought about how much stress all of the stopping and starting puts on the starter? It seems that the savings on fuel will be eaten up by the cost of a new starter.

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[Murgatroid]

I don't get it. Maybe because I'm running the air right now but it only stops my Gladiator for 17 sec or so before it starts it back up at a stop light. Is 17 secs worth the starter wear and battery discharge from starting.

 

[Pion]

I may have missed it but has anyone thought about how much stress all of the stopping and starting puts on the starter? It seems that the savings on fuel will be eaten up by the cost of a new starter.

They design the system to be restarted more than a normal starter. They have different gearing, brushes, bearings, has an electronic disconnect from the solenoid, and are more aware of cylinder position.

 

[AggieJeep]

I didn’t like ESS much from rental car experience but have given it an open minded shot. I like it less and less each time I drive I leave it active. Mine is being subjected to Houston summer and just doesn’t stay off long enough to help. Maybe up to 30 seconds but normally much less. I’m growing to actually hate it. There should be a way to leave it off, hello FCA? I should not have to hit the button at each start or pay for widget to do that for me.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Why do so many people seem not like (or if you like it) stop start or ESS? Just looking for peoples reasons for or against, not hating or being confrontational. I just simply want to know peoples thoughts.

For me, I like stop start.
1) If you have a manual and stall it, press the clutch in and it automatically starts again! (without resetting your radio )
2) Its disabled in 4 low so no worries off road.
3) The heat or air con will override it and start the vehicle if its too hot or cold.
4) They test the heck out of the starters, most tests being more the 1,000,000 stop starts back to back in hot cells and cold cells. I have not heard of stop start vehicle starters failing prematurely in recent years (to be fair I also have not searched hard)

The only real time I don't like it is when I'm in traffic and it starts, roll 4 feet then turns off over and over. That's when I turn it off.
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It defiantly takes some getting use to, I had it on my manual diesel mini cooper and have driven many auto vehicles with it. Once you get use to knowing when the light is going to change and you release the brake a little or push the clutch in and she lights, getting use to that timing I have never felt stranded or waiting on the vehicle to leave the light to pull out into traffic.

I agree for the most part. It’s cool to drop it in neutral and leave out the clutch as weak as it is, in traffic or a long red light. Surprised the hell out of me the first couple times it restarted on it’s own. If you don’t want it just turn it off when you start it. I also agree with the dependability and how long it will last and what if it craps out after the3/36k.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

BTW, in two different places in the manuals. 1 says it’s for emissions and the other says for fuel mileage. Which is it? If it’s emissions you could argue it ought to be covered as long as its in the extended emissions warranty, if it were to crap out down the line. Who knows, I hope it lasts at least 20 years!

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Also, did you know there are 2 batteries on an ESS. Looks like about a motorcycle size battery in a plastic box screwed to the bottom of the power distribution center. It’s for ESS.

 

[Craig rubi]

To be honest I don't like it much either, but figured out quickly if you are easy on the brake it doesn't activate. And is pushing one more button when you start your ride all that difficult?

 

[Rocksalt]

I dont like it and shut it off everytime

 

[AggieJeep]

I hate it more each time I have to think about it. Screw the feds and CARB for pushing the manufacturers into such a thing. Mine will stop for 2 seconds at every stupid stop sign in my neighborhood. I’ve given it a fair chance and it cannot be worth the repeated starts. It costs some horsepower to put that charge back into the battery. I would really like to see the math on real-world use efficiency gains, losses. I saw the vid of a RAM engineer talking about the fuel saved at a 90 second stop light with the RAM’s BSG. At least it can generate charge with braking. That isn’t what the Gladiator 3.6 has.

A pox be upon the houses of all who put this BS on the Gladiator and refused to allow for a “I told you to stay off, ESS” setting.

Other than that, I have no opinion.

 

[Oilburner]

Also, did you know there are 2 batteries on an ESS. Looks like about a motorcycle size battery in a plastic box screwed to the bottom of the power distribution center. It’s for ESS.

Quite a lot of these little batteries going bad over on the JL board.
I wonder, if you ‘hit the button’ each day, how could that effect the smaller battery?

 

[guntrust]

I like it only because i have a manual, and therefore control.

 

[futzin']

I hate it more each time I have to think about it. Screw the feds and CARB for pushing the manufacturers into such a thing. Mine will stop for 2 seconds at every stupid stop sign in my neighborhood. I’ve given it a fair chance and it cannot be worth the repeated starts. It costs some horsepower to put that charge back into the battery. I would really like to see the math on real-world use efficiency gains, losses. I saw the vid of a RAM engineer talking about the fuel saved at a 90 second stop light with the RAM’s BSG. At least it can generate charge with braking. That isn’t what the Gladiator 3.6 has.

A pox be upon the houses of all who put this BS on the Gladiator and refused to allow for a “I told you to stay off, ESS” setting.

Other than that, I have no opinion.

I'm gonna join this forum under five new aliases so I can 'like' that one five more times!! This from a guy who has zero social web thingies . . .

 

[sbetts]

Literally the day we ordered the JT we ordered the SmartStopStart module. Cant stand the ESS.

 

[steffen707]

I said before I got my JT that the start stop in my Pacifica hybrid was the cats ass. But it'll shut off every stop and then seemlessly start. That's the amazing high voltage electric motor and large battery capacity though. Without a hybrid battery starter, this is kinda worthless.

Ugh.

If the AC is on it shuts the car off for 4 seconds then starts again. It's like their algorithm forgets to see that the AC is running before shutting it off.

I find it slightly annoying but it doesn't stop me from doing anything I want. If I get a device that will shut it off, I probably will though.

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