3.0L "Tornado" Straight-Six Engine (GME T6) Coming to Various Jeep Models

[Minty JL]

But pissing contests are fun when you're in them, and entertaining for the rest of us lol

Besides, arguing with strangers is what the internet was invented for.

I like your style lol

Nothing like a good thread for laughing and eating popcorn

Sponsored

 

[Maximus Gladius]

Google search.

How much power can a bicycle generator produce?
A typical bike generator can produce 100 watts.
If you pedal for an hour a day, 30 days a month, that's (30 x 100=) 3000 watt-hours, or 3 kWh. That's less than 1% of what a typical family uses in a month (920 kWH). You generated 0.3% of your energy, and continue to get 99.7% from the grid.

We’ll, toss that idea in the trash can.

If you’re going to spend that kind of time on a bike, I guess just get it out on the road and start peddling yourself around

 

[Rusty PW]

We’ll, toss that idea in the trash can.

Too much work. Unless you are a fitness nut.

 

[AustinL911]

Too much work. Unless you are a fitness nut.

And even then, it's better for the environment to just run a gas generator.

 

[PawsitiveTraction]

Well your crayons are F'd lol

There is and never has been a 4.0l offered in the JL or JT. So that comparison is completely and totally irrelevant, again comparing apples and oranges. Now if you want to compare the dimensions of the ole beloved 4.0l to that of the new 3.0tt ......then we might have a valid discussion point. I just already know how the 2.0t and 392 fit in to this platform.

Dude trust me........not trying to be some high and mighty punk ass here. Just a regular car/truck and Jeep dude ....nothing more. Time on the forum is no flex in my eyes.

Cheers mate

Dude , holy hellions.. Im using the old 4.0L as an example to show that there is enough room to fit an inline 6 in the JT engine bay.
For Christ's sake they fit 6.2 hellcats in the JT. and thats a LEAST 32" because of the pulley needed, not to mention massive intercooler and radiator needed for a hellcat swap.
Your argument that there isnt enough room to fit a TT inline 6 is asinine.

personally i waited for the diesel, but im excited to see what the hurricane can do, especially with aftermarket tuning.

PS.... X is definitely gonna give it to ya

 

[Rusty PW]

And even then, it's better for the environment to just run a gas generator.

Just before I left Elliott. They was just coming out with micro turbine generator that ran on just about anything that would burn. The bigger ones were able to power a McDonald's. Plus the exhaust had a water jacket on it. You could use that for hot water if you needed to.

 

[Tech Tim]

Google search.

How much power can a bicycle generator produce?
A typical bike generator can produce 100 watts.
If you pedal for an hour a day, 30 days a month, that's (30 x 100=) 3000 watt-hours, or 3 kWh. That's less than 1% of what a typical family uses in a month (920 kWH). You generated 0.3% of your energy, and continue to get 99.7% from the grid.

Time to open up a gym that specializes in spin classes..... Get others to charge that those batteries for you. ?

 

[Maximus Gladius]

I think your best bet is to get that electric Ford F-150 that can power your house for three days when the power goes out. 3 days should be plenty of time to get the power back on.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

4.0L is roughly 32" from bellhousing to damper.
Gen 3 hemi is 29.675. so you are telling me there is less than 2.5 inches of room in our engine bay?

Apples and oranges. Your 29.6" is bell housing mounting surface to water pump hub but your 4.0 dimension is only to the face of the damper.
I'm guessing you found the gen III hemi dimensions on a chart similar to where this came from -
This is your measurement -

A bare 4.0 block is about 28" (LOL - yeah, I measured one of the blocks I have). Add the timing chain, cover, damper, water pump, etc.
Measuring real parts (not looking at jalopnik, eh?) I get 33.25" from bell housing mounting face to the hub of the water pump. And yes, I didn't look it up, I measured the 4.0s in the two cars I have with 4.0 engines.

Since your dimension of the Gen III hemi is rear bell housing face to water pump hub (you said 29.675) then the 4.0 should be compared using the same references.
In that case - rear bell housing face to water pump hub is 33.25"
Apples to apples, that's over 3.5" difference.
Comparing the blocks -
The 4.0 block is 28" long, bell housing mounting face to timing cover mounting face
The Gen III hemi block is 24.5"
The block alone is 3.5" longer so it stands to reason the engines may end up 3.5" different in front to rear - and that's how it turns out.
The 4.0 is 3.5" longer than a gen III hemi, bare block or otherwise.

Just for kicks, I got curious about height.............
The Gen III hemi is 18.75" oil pan rail to highest point of valve covers.
The 4.0 is about the same although it's a bitch to get a tape measure down to the pan rails, up past all the cables, wires, hoses, etc. to get accurate. The cat wins that one on height.

Yes, 2" can matter in engine swaps.
Been there, done that.

I also measured some other engines I have - a 360 or 401 even with turbo would drop in and leave room for guests.

Back to my original point on the 4.0 - note I was talking of the wasted space and how it could be trimmed down in size. Modern, more narrow mains, accessories mounted differently, reduce bore center-to-center dimension and so on - so I was arguing that a modern I6 WOULD fit, not that it would not as you apparently read into it.

I was saying people are thinking old-school, maybe back to the long 4.0 with a tall block, but how a modern I6 with a die cast block and reduced wasted space would likely fit fine.

So I was saying it could work while others were saying no way an I6 would fit.
I was saying - yeah, bet it would.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I think your best bet is to get that electric Ford F-150 that can power your house for three days when the power goes out. 3 days should be plenty of time to get the power back on.

Did you see the video on that where they showed what it took to tear into one of those? TOTAL nightmare for any tech. I bet there's a few who retire or change jobs rather than work on one of the Ford electric trucks. Nasty stuff, easier to put the kernels of corn back on the cob than work on one of those.

again same engine bays that ran i6 in ZJ ran v8.
difference between the 4.0 and a 6.4 is less than 2.5 inches

Hmmm, no, not based on real measurements, and comparing apples to apples measurements. More like 3.5"
Comparing the early V8s is even worse - the 304/360/401 is 8" shorter than a 4.0 (and shorter in height)
I have a 343, 360 and 401 sitting in my shop to rebuild - dimensions are all identical, only internals differ on any of the Gen II (or what some call the Gen III) AMC engines.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Or going old school the 4.3 V6 was a GM 305 V8 small block with the back 2 cylinders wacked off.

I am curious - is that fact or lore? Just asking, nothing more.
Other than intake gasket issues, the 305 was a decent engine.

Reason I ask is because many say that the 4.0 was the natural progression from the aging 258 when in fact, it was not based on the 258, but was based on the AMC 4 cylinder engine.
But because parts interchange, the internet says it's the son of the 258. And we all know the internet is all-knowing and wise and anything you see there is truth.

I spoke with a VAM historian and looked at other records............. the Mexicans suggested to AMC that a good new I6 could come from the existing I4. AMC originally poo-poo'd it, but then later did it as if it was their idea.

 

[Minty JL]

I am curious - is that fact or lore? Just asking, nothing more.
Other than intake gasket issues, the 305 was a decent engine.

Reason I ask is because many say that the 4.0 was the natural progression from the aging 258 when in fact, it was not based on the 258, but was based on the AMC 4 cylinder engine.
But because parts interchange, the internet says it's the son of the 258. And we all know the internet is all-knowing and wise and anything you see there is truth.

I spoke with a VAM historian and looked at other records............. the Mexicans suggested to AMC that a good new I6 could come from the existing I4. AMC originally poo-poo'd it, but then later did it as if it was their idea.

Yeah the 305 and 307 were great small blocks. They were just over looked because everyone wanted 327s or the gold standard the 350.

My dad had a 307 in a 68 C20 camper special......with 4.10s and 4 spd is was a fuckin work horse.

 

[PawsitiveTraction]

Apples and oranges. Your 29.6" is bell housing mounting surface to water pump hub but your 4.0 dimension is only to the face of the damper.
I'm guessing you found the gen III hemi dimensions on a chart similar to where this came from -
This is your measurement -

A bare 4.0 block is about 28" (LOL - yeah, I measured one of the blocks I have). Add the timing chain, cover, damper, water pump, etc.
Measuring real parts (not looking at jalopnik, eh?) I get 33.25" from bell housing mounting face to the hub of the water pump. And yes, I didn't look it up, I measured the 4.0s in the two cars I have with 4.0 engines.

Since your dimension of the Gen III hemi is rear bell housing face to water pump hub (you said 29.675) then the 4.0 should be compared using the same references.
In that case - rear bell housing face to water pump hub is 33.25"
Apples to apples, that's over 3.5" difference.
Comparing the blocks -
The 4.0 block is 28" long, bell housing mounting face to timing cover mounting face
The Gen III hemi block is 24.5"
The block alone is 3.5" longer so it stands to reason the engines may end up 3.5" different in front to rear - and that's how it turns out.
The 4.0 is 3.5" longer than a gen III hemi, bare block or otherwise.

Just for kicks, I got curious about height.............
The Gen III hemi is 18.75" oil pan rail to highest point of valve covers.
The 4.0 is about the same although it's a bitch to get a tape measure down to the pan rails, up past all the cables, wires, hoses, etc. to get accurate. The cat wins that one on height.

Yes, 2" can matter in engine swaps.
Been there, done that.

I also measured some other engines I have - a 360 or 401 even with turbo would drop in and leave room for guests.

Back to my original point on the 4.0 - note I was talking of the wasted space and how it could be trimmed down in size. Modern, more narrow mains, accessories mounted differently, reduce bore center-to-center dimension and so on - so I was arguing that a modern I6 WOULD fit, not that it would not as you apparently read into it.

I was saying people are thinking old-school, maybe back to the long 4.0 with a tall block, but how a modern I6 with a die cast block and reduced wasted space would likely fit fine.

So I was saying it could work while others were saying no way an I6 would fit.
I was saying - yeah, bet it would.

Right on.. yes i didnt have blocks to measure.
I wasnt far off. I do agree, and think 3.5 inches is easily found in the engine bay.

Im super excited. A modern day inline 6 with turbos should be a great option and a chance for Chrysler to have an engine worthy of replacing the hemi. I just hope they dont screw the pooch and over do it.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Yeah the 305 and 307 were great small blocks. They were just over looked because everyone wanted 327s or the gold standard the 350.

My dad had a 307 in a 68 C20 camper special......with 4.10s and 4 spd is was a fuckin work horse.

Did you mean boat anchor when you said great?

Those 305s were gutless. Early 90s 305 Camaro/TA would run 17s in the 1/4.

 

[redriderjf87]

I never quite understood the point of the 305 in all honesty. It's a 350 with less power and the same mpg.

Sponsored