Official EcoDiesel Oil and Filter Recommendations

[Free2roam]

Not sure if that was a real question, or if you were messin with me, but I can't not respond

I think @biodiesel is managing the running list https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/official-2020-ecodiesel-oil-recommendations.29701/

Not messing around. Totally serious. I've seen the other thread.

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[22EcoDs]

Not a fan of Pennzoil. What other options are there?

A good amount of European options if you want to spend the coin.

 

[22EcoDs]

Motul is one of the better ones. Although with the new doc it seems that T6 meets the requirement. Just not smthe suggested ms12991

 

[biodiesel]

Not a fan of Pennzoil. What other options are there?

What I can tell you is that the UOA results with Pennzoil is just as good as the other high-end oils. Shell does a pretty good job with their oils whether it be Rotella or Pennzoil.

 

[Free2roam]

What I can tell you is that the UOA results with Pennzoil is just as good as the other high-end oils. Shell does a pretty good job with their oils whether it be Rotella or Pennzoil.

Vs say motul, Valvoline, or Amsoil?

 

[biodiesel]

Vs say motul, Valvoline, or Amsoil?

Yup. I wouldn't be running Pennzoil if I wasn't happy with the UOA results. Amsoil and Motul will hold viscosity better, but the Pennzoil does just as good at protecting the engine in terms of wear metals.

 

[Free2roam]

Ended up picking up the Motul. Yeah it costs more for it for 40$ a 5L jug. Picked up 6. 5w40 8100 X-cess gen 2

 

[biodiesel]

Ended up picking up the Motul. Yeah it costs more for it for 40$ a 5L jug. Picked up 6. 5w40 8100 X-cess gen 2

I made my UOA report(s) a little easier to look at for comparison.

At this time, I feel pretty comfortable running 6,000-mile drain intervals. Keep in mind, a lot of my miles are towing miles. Outside of high aluminum numbers, I'm fairly content with my reports. Regardless of the oil used, high aluminum numbers seem to be normal for this engine. I wish we could see a few high mileage (100,000+ miles) UOA reports to predict what trends might look like. Eventually, we'll see a high mileage engine torn apart to know where the weak links are in the engine.

Lube Time: 4,133 miles
Unit Time: 4,133 miles

Lube Time: 3,551 miles
Unit Time: 7,684 miles

Lube Time: 5,123 miles
Unit Time: 12,807 miles

Lube Time: 6,786 miles
Unit Time: 19,593 miles

Wear Metals
IRON: 19, 21, 26, 26
CHROMIUM: 1, 1, 1, 1
NICKEL: 0, 0, 0, 0
ALUMINUM: 13, 13, 25, 26
COPPER: 14, 7, 5, 3
LEAD: 0, 0, 0, 0
TIN: 0, 1, 1, 0
CADMIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0
SILVER: 0, 0, 0, 0
VANADIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0

Contaminant Metals
SILICON: 36, 13, 12, 13
SODIUM: 4, 3, 1, 4
POTASSIUM: 24, 14, 26, 13

Multi-Source Metals
TITANIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0
MOLYBDENUM: 47, 84, 60, 94
ANTIMONY: 0, 0, 3, 0
MANGANESE: 5, 2, 1, 1
LITHIUM: 1, 0, 1, 0
BORON: 72, 169, 78, 169

Additive Metals
MAGNESIUM: 21, 877, 177, 1054
CALCIUM: 2505, 1703, 2772, 1738
BARIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0
PHOSPHOROUS: 803, 888, 977, 943
ZINC: 920, 1046, 1141, 1088

Contaminants
FUEL DILUTION: 0.6%, 0.1%, 0.6%, 0.5%
SOOT: <.1, <1, <1, <1
WATER: <.1, <1, <1, <1

Fluid Properties
VISCOSITY 100 *C: 13.0, 12.6, 12.9, 12.4
BASE NUMBER: 8.32, 9.52, 6.84, 8.09
OXIDATION: 9, 10, 10, 10
NITRATION: 10, 10, 10, 11

 

[22EcoDs]

I made my UOA report(s) a little easier to look at for comparison.

At this time, I feel pretty comfortable running 6,000-mile drain intervals. Keep in mind, a lot of my miles are towing miles. Outside of high aluminum numbers, I'm fairly content with my reports. Regardless of the oil used, high aluminum numbers seem to be normal for this engine. I wish we could see a few high mileage (100,000+ miles) UOA reports to predict what trends might look like. Eventually, we'll see a high mileage engine torn apart to know where the weak links are in the engine.

Lube Time: 4,133 miles
Unit Time: 4,133 miles

Lube Time: 3,551 miles
Unit Time: 7,684 miles

Lube Time: 5,123 miles
Unit Time: 12,807 miles

Lube Time: 6,786 miles
Unit Time: 19,593 miles

Wear Metals
IRON: 19, 21, 26, 26
CHROMIUM: 1, 1, 1, 1
NICKEL: 0, 0, 0, 0
ALUMINUM: 13, 13, 25, 26
COPPER: 14, 7, 5, 3
LEAD: 0, 0, 0, 0
TIN: 0, 1, 1, 0
CADMIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0
SILVER: 0, 0, 0, 0
VANADIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0

Contaminant Metals
SILICON: 36, 13, 12, 13
SODIUM: 4, 3, 1, 4
POTASSIUM: 24, 14, 26, 13

Multi-Source Metals
TITANIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0
MOLYBDENUM: 47, 84, 60, 94
ANTIMONY: 0, 0, 3, 0
MANGANESE: 5, 2, 1, 1
LITHIUM: 1, 0, 1, 0
BORON: 72, 169, 78, 169

Additive Metals
MAGNESIUM: 21, 877, 177, 1054
CALCIUM: 2505, 1703, 2772, 1738
BARIUM: 0, 0, 0, 0
PHOSPHOROUS: 803, 888, 977, 943
ZINC: 920, 1046, 1141, 1088

Contaminants
FUEL DILUTION: 0.6%, 0.1%, 0.6%, 0.5%
SOOT: <.1, <1, <1, <1
WATER: <.1, <1, <1, <1

Fluid Properties
VISCOSITY 100 *C: 13.0, 12.6, 12.9, 12.4
BASE NUMBER: 8.32, 9.52, 6.84, 8.09
OXIDATION: 9, 10, 10, 10
NITRATION: 10, 10, 10, 11

Are these all PP? Wth happened with your aluminum doubling

 

[biodiesel]

Are these all PP? Wth happened with your aluminum doubling

The aluminum doubled because my mileage nearly doubled.

(13 aluminum)
Lube Time: 3,551 miles
Unit Time: 7,684 miles

(25 aluminum)
Lube Time: 5,123 miles
Unit Time: 12,807 miles

(26 aluminum)
Lube Time: 6,786 miles
Unit Time: 19,593 miles

Outside of the factory fill, I've been running Pennzoil Platinum. I've seen several Motul 8100 X-Clean UOA reports, and they all had higher iron numbers than mine. That could be a coincidence, or it could mean that it doesn't have the same protection. Also, Motul seems to lose viscosity quicker based off the reports I've seen.

 

[Jose_solorza]

I think this meets our spec, found at Oreilys

 

[biodiesel]

I think this meets our spec, found at Oreilys

It looks like I need to add that to the list. Good find! Thanks for sharing!

 

[rharr]

The cert is in Spanish so there is probably a loop hole in the warranty that voids everything because it's not meant for US based stuff

In all seriousness, good find

 

[Hootbro]

Spec sheet says it "meets" MS-12991.

https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...E6B3EED80258957002DF111/$File/wepp-cp5mxu.pdf

 

[CrazyCooter]

Spec sheet says it "meets" MS-12991.

https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...E6B3EED80258957002DF111/$File/wepp-cp5mxu.pdf

I read it more like they claim it meets those requirements. Who is the decision maker?

I hate the world we live in where you have to question everything because so much is deception.

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