Stellantis CEO: Earth Doesn't Have Enough Raw Material to Meet EV Demand

[BearDog]

EV blah blah. PHEV blah blah.

My typical Saturday...

I jump in my truck and fire up that dino piss drinking sucker. I drive to the corner store and top it off with more dino piss. I put dino piss in the two 5 gallon red jugs, put less refined dino piss in the two yellow 5 gallon jugs. I fire up that truck and drive back home. I put the dino piss from the red jugs into my riding mower and weedeater. I put the dino piss from the yellow jugs into my tractor. I spend all day burning all that dino piss while drinking Shiner Bock after Shiner Bock, that was trucked to the corner store by a bigger dino piss drinking truck. Sunday comes...I jump in my dino piss drinking truck again and make the 220 mile round trip taking the wife to the beach to drink more Shiner Bock...that was trucked to the store by another bigger dino piss drinking truck. Get close to home in the evening, but stop at the same corner store to fill up my dino piss drinking truck again so I can go to work Monday morning...at a company that machines parts mainly for the dino piss industry.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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[BearDog]

BTW...the myth that oil comes from dead dinosaurs is just that...a myth. Oil is a naturally occurring resource that the earth continues to make. It's not from dinosaur bones.

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

Maybe an eye opening thought experiment for anyone interested —go to the EIAdotGov and convert the annual US gasoline consumption into kW. Then from the same official guberment site, compare that number to the US’s total electrical grid production. Layman’s math: US grid production, from any source, will need to more than quadruple to accommodate the transition away from gasoline. Thats just consumption, not including demand, inrush, infrastructure, etc, which would further multiply grid capacity requirements.

The push to EVs is strictly intended to transition control of human behavior and energy consumption into the hands of governments. Utilities are more efficiently and effectively controlled by the unelected administrative government apparatus, than oil.

Like in Europe, when demand for grid production exceeds the mechanisms of input, we too will pay 3-5X more $/kWh. The cost of energy, house, business, or transportation will be so high, that humans will have no choice but to drastically reduce consumption. This is the plan. It’s openly discussed and documented for anyone curious to research it.

 

[sharpsicle]

I see it's finally time to bust these out in this thread:

 

[Hootbro]

Most perplexing thing to me is the dissipative loss associated with current EV's. In some cases especially with colder winter weather, you can have up to 30% per day loss of battery charge.

People are still paying money for that charge and would be same if one had a gas vehicle and came out in the morning and a 30% loss of gas was noticed. There would be pitch fork mobs assembling over that but EV's get a pass.

 

[Rusty PW]

BTW...the myth that oil comes from dead dinosaurs is just that...a myth. Oil is a naturally occurring resource that the earth continues to make. It's not from dinosaur bones.

Abiogenic petroleum.

Corresponding to what organic theory's supporters have admitted themselves; petroleum is a fossil fuel, and there has never been a real fossil found below 16000 feet. Nowadays, there is drilling for oil reservoirs at 28000 feet or 30000 feet where there is no a fossil remains.

 

[AustinL911]

Abiogenic petroleum.

Corresponding to what organic theory's supporters have admitted themselves; petroleum is a fossil fuel, and there has never been a real fossil found below 16000 feet. Nowadays, there is drilling for oil reservoirs at 28000 feet or 30000 feet where there is no a fossil remains.

I'm no geologist, but do the dinosaur squeezens leak down to those lower depths?

 

[Maximus Gladius]

I'm no geologist, but do the dinosaur squeezens leak down to those lower depths?

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This. I thunk it, you said it.

 

[Solar Sparky]

They have been flying hydrogen powered turbojets in New Mexico, but using natural gas for production. A new tech is in the works to eliminate that. Toyota is banking on hydrogen. Let’s see what happens

Gavin Newsome is going all in on hydrogen. ? except he wants to buy it from the Saudis

 

[Gren71]

Gavin Newsome is going all in on hydrogen. ? except he wants to buy it from the Saudis

I dislike Newsome, but i like the idea of hydrogen. I suppose on the plus side they love to dump money into “green” things so maybe it will bring hydrogen into the market more.

 

[HooliganActual]

Ever been around when they try to sync a generator to the grid out of phase? It's not a pretty sight. Millions in damages. Was an outside contractor working at an AEP plant in Washington Ohio when they tried that to a 720 MW generator coming out from an outage.

I was (luckily) standing on the other side of a 2500 KW Diesel Generator when an out of phase sync was performed at a nuke plant i worked at. The resulting arc flash blew out the bucket pinning the operator to a wall a hundred feet away...not pretty at all

Anyways, all of these auto manufacturers are thinking about the now. As someone has already said, there is not enough back end infrastructure to deal with recycling the batteries. Research I read stated there were only 2 companies currently and actively trying to address this. There needs to be more or we will wind up with stockpiles of "waste" batteries that will eventually result in environmental concerns just like nuclear waste.

Here is an interesting TEDTalk about how green the EV's actually are. Maybe this guy is a crackpot or doesn't know what he's talking about, but it sure is compelling:

 

[Rusty PW]

I was (luckily) standing on the other side of a 2500 KW Diesel Generator when an out of phase sync was performed at a nuke plant i worked at. The resulting arc flash blew out the bucket pinning the operator to a wall a hundred feet away...not pretty at all

Arc flash....NOT GOOD. I've only seen one bucket blow in all of my years. And I was on the other side of the room thank god. We had to wear 100 Cal flash suits. They told us that the suits wouldn't help us much when the plasma blast hit you. They might fine some of your bones during the clean up.

 

[HooliganActual]

Arc flash....NOT GOOD. I've only seen one bucket blow in all of my years. And I was on the other side of the room thank god. We had to wear 100 Cal flash suits. They told us that the suits wouldn't help us much when the plasma blast hit you. They might fine some of your bones during the clean up.

Agreed!! This happened in 1983, so it was well before the modern arc flash awareness and precautions. My shipmate’s dungarees were no match for the forces at play…if you get my drift.

 

[Rusty PW]

I'm no geologist, but do the dinosaur squeezens leak down to those lower depths?

Petroleum is lighter than water. So it should raise up.

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