Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware ( no politics please)

[ShadowsPapa]

Gonna be tough for those impulse buyers.

Not really - not these days. And Delaware is small enough to drive across and go to another dealership out of state - or have one delivered from Iowa, for example.

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[Hootbro]

Looks like you can still order them for delivery. Gonna be tough for those impulse buyers. First world problems. Haha.

Delaware is a small state with 60% living in the Northern third of it around Wilmington. Many to include myself find a out of state dealer closer than a in state one and is probably what most will do. Just shafts the in state dealers.

What grinds my gears from the article is that it treats Stellantis like a start up new company and will not give them an exception. As mentioned, it will eventually come for the other vehicle makers as time passes.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

2. Can you name one company that has gone broke from adopting whatever you think "woke" is?

"WOKE" is more used as slang for the DEI and ESG movements that are now sweeping and crippling corporations.

Recent examples of "Go woke, Go Broke" losers are:

Anheuser Busch. (stock valuation loss to date from start of issue $19.14B... 1 month timeline)

Target (now in the headlights... $9.7B loss in 1 week).

 

[ShadowsPapa]

remind me what your experience was on that florida trip you two took? Cant remember. Im curious how you think it would do with mostly 2 mile drivesduring the week with 65-80 mile each way drives once a week

I love the 4xe and the concept - but I hate the short range. On the other hand, I have to temper that with the knowledge in the back of my mind - it's a bloody BRICK and it's a heavy brick, it's a WRANGLER with a main sail up all the time (frontage/windshield)

We are 8 to 10 miles from a lot of things - 8 or 9 to get to grocery stores or doctor. So a round trip can be done on all battery. NICE. How many times can you drive 20 miles for a bit over a dollar? (Iowa electric costs are CHEAP)
My wife likes driving straight through on trips - skip hotels most of the time, keep going, get home.
IF she'd let us take a break, I'd find a hotel with a nearby EV charger.
The last trip was also made worse because we faced a strong head-wind all the way back to Iowa. I could fell it - it was windy! So driving a brick with a sail raised into the wind - it meant that little engine was really working and we were getting 15-17 mpg, mostly around 16. SMALL fuel tank, 17 gallons. Get it really low and you may add 15 gallons. That won't take you far.

IMO, it would have worked with at least one hotel stop, a charge that night, and less wind.
For short drives, up to 10 miles one way, 20 miles round trip, it's ideal.
The Grand Cherokee 3.6 blows JT and JLU mpg out of the water - so a GC 4xe will hit upper 20s on battery alone while the JLU Rubicon is more like mid-20s, maybe 22-25 depending.
So 70 miles one way, you go 20+ miles then get into the hybrid mode for the remaining 50. If you could charge it on a level II charger, it would take about 2 hours and 12 minutes (that's typical for ours) for a full charge. Then the trip back would be electric for ~20 miles, hybrid mode for the remaining 50. You can get 19 or so mpg in hybrid mode. Little wind, flatter ground you can do 20+ with a JLU Rubicon. That's what we got on the flat part of Florida while down there, hybrid mode only.
Mixed driving is ideal - you want some longer drives as the thing tracks how long the gas has been in the tank and how many times the ICE has run up to temperature. If you don't use enough gas or don't warm that engine up enough often enough it goes into FORM mode and forces use of the engine. (Fuel Oil Refresh Mode). Don't fill the tank until you can put at least 4 gallons in so it keeps the gas fresh. It tracks that. It also pressurizes the fuel tank to prevent gas getting stale - keeps the high parts of the gas in instead of letting it evaporate. Sealed gas lasts a lot longer than gas stored in a tank that can vent. So you have to push a button on the dash to unlock the fuel door, it depressurizes and then opens the fuel fill door.

I Think our Florida and back drive experience was made worse by the fact that my wife insisted we drive straight through, and it was windy. A stop would have meant a charge, and maybe less wind. Unreal how the wind can be out of the NW through 3 states as we headed NW!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

"WOKE" is more used as slang for the DEI and ESG movements that are now sweeping and crippling corporations.

Recent examples of "Go woke, Go Broke" losers are:

Anheuser Busch. (stock valuation loss to date from start of issue $19.14B... 1 month timeline)

Target (now in the headlights... $9.7B loss in 1 week).

Corporations need to sell products and services - and simply be of equal opportunity - not brag or force anything on anyone. Even Caitlyn Jenner is cringing. It's backfiring and making things worse, not better.
Corporations need to back off, market to the masses, include all but not focus on anyone.

A-B is still writhing in pain.

 

[sharpsicle]

 

[Bbannongmu]

??? I live in PA (referenced on the story) and just saw a trailer full of gas JLs and JTs unloaded at my local Jeep dealer.

 

[Orange01z28]

How can this not be political?

Hopefully this will get people off the fence and get the pitchforks out

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Jeep's intermediate step - the 4xe ->

And to fuel it up ->

$1.18 per charge, which takes 2 hours and 12 minutes most of the time.
It's still a Jeep, still very capable, if not more-so due to the crazy torque.

 

[BearDog]

Jeep's intermediate step - the 4xe ->


$1.18 per charge, which takes 2 hours and 12 minutes most of the time.
It's still a Jeep, still very capable, if not more-so due to the crazy torque.

It is not $1.18 per charge....for any EV, not just the 4xe. If it was, my electric bill would not double in the summer here in east Texas when the a/c starts cranking. Your electric bill only goes up $1.18 because it is a subsidy, paid for by every single tax payer in this country, including myself.

You're welcome for my contribution to you saving money.

 

[chorky]

I love the 4xe and the concept - but I hate the short range. On the other hand, I have to temper that with the knowledge in the back of my mind - it's a bloody BRICK and it's a heavy brick, it's a WRANGLER with a main sail up all the time (frontage/windshield)

We are 8 to 10 miles from a lot of things - 8 or 9 to get to grocery stores or doctor. So a round trip can be done on all battery. NICE. How many times can you drive 20 miles for a bit over a dollar? (Iowa electric costs are CHEAP)
My wife likes driving straight through on trips - skip hotels most of the time, keep going, get home.
IF she'd let us take a break, I'd find a hotel with a nearby EV charger.
The last trip was also made worse because we faced a strong head-wind all the way back to Iowa. I could fell it - it was windy! So driving a brick with a sail raised into the wind - it meant that little engine was really working and we were getting 15-17 mpg, mostly around 16. SMALL fuel tank, 17 gallons. Get it really low and you may add 15 gallons. That won't take you far.

IMO, it would have worked with at least one hotel stop, a charge that night, and less wind.
For short drives, up to 10 miles one way, 20 miles round trip, it's ideal.
The Grand Cherokee 3.6 blows JT and JLU mpg out of the water - so a GC 4xe will hit upper 20s on battery alone while the JLU Rubicon is more like mid-20s, maybe 22-25 depending.
So 70 miles one way, you go 20+ miles then get into the hybrid mode for the remaining 50. If you could charge it on a level II charger, it would take about 2 hours and 12 minutes (that's typical for ours) for a full charge. Then the trip back would be electric for ~20 miles, hybrid mode for the remaining 50. You can get 19 or so mpg in hybrid mode. Little wind, flatter ground you can do 20+ with a JLU Rubicon. That's what we got on the flat part of Florida while down there, hybrid mode only.
Mixed driving is ideal - you want some longer drives as the thing tracks how long the gas has been in the tank and how many times the ICE has run up to temperature. If you don't use enough gas or don't warm that engine up enough often enough it goes into FORM mode and forces use of the engine. (Fuel Oil Refresh Mode). Don't fill the tank until you can put at least 4 gallons in so it keeps the gas fresh. It tracks that. It also pressurizes the fuel tank to prevent gas getting stale - keeps the high parts of the gas in instead of letting it evaporate. Sealed gas lasts a lot longer than gas stored in a tank that can vent. So you have to push a button on the dash to unlock the fuel door, it depressurizes and then opens the fuel fill door.

I Think our Florida and back drive experience was made worse by the fact that my wife insisted we drive straight through, and it was windy. A stop would have meant a charge, and maybe less wind. Unreal how the wind can be out of the NW through 3 states as we headed NW!

good info thank you. It sounds like, at least for me, it wouldnt be a slam dunk benefit. When going to town I rarely am able to park for a few hours to recharge and I dont know if there are even any charging places anyway. Usually I am running errands to several places. Going back home I have some strong headwinds. So much I average 13mpg in the Gladiator, with several elevation changes as well. Normally its at least a half tank, maybe a little more, in the Gladiator for me to get to town, run errands, and get back home.

 

[Jakeyou]

How do you convince people to buy electric vehicles? You don't give them a choice

 

[BearDog]

How do you convince people to buy electric vehicles? You don't give them a choice

Still wouldn't convince me. I'd find me an old beater, rebuild the small block Chevy, and be damn happy.

 

[rharr]

Corporations are people to and entitled to run their bussiness as they see fit. Why would they run 2 separate power train lines and pay for R&D on 2 lines when the market is being directed to 1 specific power train of the future?

It doesn't make financial sense investing and putting resources into a system that will be neutered in the near future.

If the steam ship captains had a forum a 120 years ago, you think they would be bitching about diesel motors?

I am not a fan of electric power trains, but everyone loves their freedom to do what they want and make their own choices, this also applies to business' and we have to live with it or except less freedoms.

If you don't like the direction don't buy a new car.

 

[yoda13]

I don’t see how this thread can not get political…

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