Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware ( no politics please)

[Riviera]

Because Electric Vehicles account for 1% of vehicle sales (according to JD Power) And when the Current group are no longer at the head of the gov., the policies will change -again.

I'm not sure how much you know about current affairs, but the richest man in the world's name is Elon Musk and he owns an electric car company called Tesla. Mr Musk also owns a social media company called Twitter. Yesterday, on Twitter, Mr Musk helped Ronald DeSantis launch his bid to be the Republican presidential nominee for 2024. Given those facts, I don't think the next administration will be less friendly to electric cars, probably more so.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Is the amount you pay extra for annual registration for the hybrid significant? I wonder if it is based on some type of percentage of reduced fuel usage or if it's just a flat fee.

The extra is a flat fee based on being a PHEV or hybrid. It's $65/year on top of the normal annual license fee. I believe a full EV is about 120 at this point. I would have to check but I think this increases at some point, or maybe it already has. I'd have to check.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'm not sure how much you know about current affairs, but the richest man in the world's name is Elon Musk and he owns an electric car company called Tesla. Mr Musk also owns a social media company called Twitter. Yesterday, on Twitter, Mr Musk helped Ronald DeSantis launch his bid to be the Republican presidential nominee for 2024. Given those facts, I don't think the next administration will be less friendly to electric cars, probably more so.

Second richest.
And he's welcomed ANY candidate to use space on Twitter.
Musk isn't running, the candidate in question is quite conservative and more likely to undo some of the current "policies".

 

[chorky]

The extra is a flat fee based on being a PHEV or hybrid. It's $65/year on top of the normal annual license fee. I believe a full EV is about 120 at this point. I would have to check but I think this increases at some point, or maybe it already has. I'd have to check.

Hmm. thats something to think about. Here I don't think there is any extra cost for a PHEV or hybrid - its a flat fee based on age and class (like truck, car, commercial etc.). But I have DV plates so no cost for registration, plates, any of that on the JT. They also have permanent regristration options for vehicles I think 11 years and older. My '06 TJ is permanently registered. I think it was....somewhere around $500 to get a new title for moving and permanent registration. That makes me wonder if that same consideration is given to hybrid's - I'm sure it is.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hmm. thats something to think about. Here I don't think there is any extra cost for a PHEV or hybrid - its a flat fee based on age and class (like truck, car, commercial etc.). But I have DV plates so no cost for registration, plates, any of that on the JT. They also have permanent regristration options for vehicles I think 11 years and older. My '06 TJ is permanently registered. I think it was....somewhere around $500 to get a new title for moving and permanent registration. That makes me wonder if that same consideration is given to hybrid's - I'm sure it is.

Here it is - for now the fee is at the max, until or unless they change it again. The Wrangler 4xe is expensive in part due to the weight - but the MSRP is a killer, too as part of the normal license fee is 1% of the MSRP. So even if you save $8,000 with discounts, the fee is still based on "list price" or MSRP.
The list price for my wife's 4xe was $71,000 so you can guess what our next year's license fee will be since we'll be paying it for a full 12 months this next time. She's going to FLIP!! It will be not far from a GRAND PER YEAR just for license fees!!!!

 

[Riviera]

Personally, I'm not a fan of electrics. Having driven an 4xe in fully electric mode and not enjoying it, I have very mixed feelings about it. Toyota has certainly figured out the hybrids, but I'm not sure of the longevity by other companies. not to mention the infrastructure for electricity production still has a long way to go.

Oh and concerning Musk's place on the "richest people in the world" list, he's probably more like 4th or lower, with Putin's wealth unknown, as is Prince Mohammed bin Salman

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Personally, I'm not a fan of electrics. Having driven an 4xe in fully electric mode and not enjoying it, I have very mixed feelings about it. Toyota has certainly figured out the hybrids, but I'm not sure of the longevity by other companies. not to mention the infrastructure for electricity production still has a long way to go.

Oh and concerning Musk's place on the "richest people in the world" list, he's probably more like 4th or lower, with Putin's wealth unknown, as is Prince Mohammed bin Salman

Yeah, you got my point.......... we'll never know the real wealth of those two - in "assets", hard or soft.

No electric issues here. We export electricity.
But we're just one state. Agreed, there's a very long way to go. Even my son with his new all EV SUV says they likely will fly from FL to IA for their next visit as he's not convinced his EV can make it. And he's a fan of EVs. But he's a realist, too.
I personally love driving my wife's Wrangler in electric mode. I've driven it a couple thousand miles so far (a lot of those in one VERY VERY LONG day and night)

 

[bleda2002]

Personally, I'm not a fan of electrics. Having driven an 4xe in fully electric mode and not enjoying it, I have very mixed feelings about it. Toyota has certainly figured out the hybrids, but I'm not sure of the longevity by other companies. not to mention the infrastructure for electricity production still has a long way to go.

Oh and concerning Musk's place on the "richest people in the world" list, he's probably more like 4th or lower, with Putin's wealth unknown, as is Prince Mohammed bin Salman

You drove a 6k pound brick on a 120 HP electric motor, of course it wasn't going to be impressive lol. Try it in 4A with the engine on too and then get back to me after you finish giggling with fun. No 6k pound brick with stick axles needs to be doing sprints to 60 in the low 5s but it sure is fun.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Personally, I'm not a fan of electrics. Having driven an 4xe in fully electric mode and not enjoying it, I have very mixed feelings about it. Toyota has certainly figured out the hybrids, but I'm not sure of the longevity by other companies. not to mention the infrastructure for electricity production still has a long way to go.

Oh and concerning Musk's place on the "richest people in the world" list, he's probably more like 4th or lower, with Putin's wealth unknown, as is Prince Mohammed bin Salman

 

[Riviera]

My lack of love wasn't about a lack of power, it was because it's just weird. I've wondered how it is with the doors off. I'm well aware of the power they have, I've been working in Chrysler dealers for about 25 years now, and I've driven all kinds of cars, owned 4 wranglers, a gladiator, a couple libertys, mustang gts, land rovers, toyotas, and many others, and the 4xe just felt weird. Not my cup of tea.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My lack of love wasn't about a lack of power, it was because it's just weird. I've wondered how it is with the doors off. I'm well aware of the power they have, I've been working in Chrysler dealers for about 25 years now, and I've driven all kinds of cars, owned 4 wranglers, a gladiator, a couple libertys, mustang gts, land rovers, toyotas, and many others, and the 4xe just felt weird. Not my cup of tea.

I guess I got used to it pretty quickly.
It does feel "quirky" in max regen - that takes getting used to but we like that with all of the hills and braking and stop lights here it does make battery power last a bit longer.
I had to wonder at your post, though, as a former tech myself, having driven everything from antique tractors to 1930s Fords and Chevys, Porsche, VW, Datsun, Honda, Nissan, Camaro, AMX, Mustang, you name it, from 4s to straight 8s, every version of the Grand Cherokee, and yes, even a Liberty which I really enjoyed, it just seemed to make the 4xe easy to get used to because I wasn't totally stuck on any way a vehicle should act. They are all different.
But hey, if it's not for you - it just isn't.

 

[TheOpa]

I love the 4xe and the concept - but I hate the short range. On the other hand, I have to temper that with the knowledge in the back of my mind - it's a bloody BRICK and it's a heavy brick, it's a WRANGLER with a main sail up all the time (frontage/windshield)

We are 8 to 10 miles from a lot of things - 8 or 9 to get to grocery stores or doctor. So a round trip can be done on all battery. NICE. How many times can you drive 20 miles for a bit over a dollar? (Iowa electric costs are CHEAP)
My wife likes driving straight through on trips - skip hotels most of the time, keep going, get home.
IF she'd let us take a break, I'd find a hotel with a nearby EV charger.
The last trip was also made worse because we faced a strong head-wind all the way back to Iowa. I could fell it - it was windy! So driving a brick with a sail raised into the wind - it meant that little engine was really working and we were getting 15-17 mpg, mostly around 16. SMALL fuel tank, 17 gallons. Get it really low and you may add 15 gallons. That won't take you far.

IMO, it would have worked with at least one hotel stop, a charge that night, and less wind.
For short drives, up to 10 miles one way, 20 miles round trip, it's ideal.
The Grand Cherokee 3.6 blows JT and JLU mpg out of the water - so a GC 4xe will hit upper 20s on battery alone while the JLU Rubicon is more like mid-20s, maybe 22-25 depending.
So 70 miles one way, you go 20+ miles then get into the hybrid mode for the remaining 50. If you could charge it on a level II charger, it would take about 2 hours and 12 minutes (that's typical for ours) for a full charge. Then the trip back would be electric for ~20 miles, hybrid mode for the remaining 50. You can get 19 or so mpg in hybrid mode. Little wind, flatter ground you can do 20+ with a JLU Rubicon. That's what we got on the flat part of Florida while down there, hybrid mode only.
Mixed driving is ideal - you want some longer drives as the thing tracks how long the gas has been in the tank and how many times the ICE has run up to temperature. If you don't use enough gas or don't warm that engine up enough often enough it goes into FORM mode and forces use of the engine. (Fuel Oil Refresh Mode). Don't fill the tank until you can put at least 4 gallons in so it keeps the gas fresh. It tracks that. It also pressurizes the fuel tank to prevent gas getting stale - keeps the high parts of the gas in instead of letting it evaporate. Sealed gas lasts a lot longer than gas stored in a tank that can vent. So you have to push a button on the dash to unlock the fuel door, it depressurizes and then opens the fuel fill door.

I Think our Florida and back drive experience was made worse by the fact that my wife insisted we drive straight through, and it was windy. A stop would have meant a charge, and maybe less wind. Unreal how the wind can be out of the NW through 3 states as we headed NW!

From time to time I consider the 4xe Jeeps. There is a lot of interesting info about the maintenance of the gas engine and fuel in here that I knew nothing about. Thanks for taking the time to add such an informative post @ShadowsPapa

 

[MRPRmojave]

I'm late to this party, but here's my .02. I live in the beautiful Southeast and we are having an influx of people moving from those states to ours. Our real estate market is on FIRREEEE. And I can honestly say I wouldn't want to live in those states either.

 

[PlayfulBird]

But for my wife - it took over a month before she needed even 11 gallons of gas. Over 40 mpg. So for some people, especially in small states where they do mostly short drives, the 4xe can operate almost as a pure EV.
My wife goes to town and back and that engine never even fires. for her, it's an EV most of the time.

That type of driving is abuse to an ICE - I consider it engine abuse to drive 10-12 miles, then 10-12 miles back. I'd never buy a used gas powered vehicle that was driven that way. But - it's ideal for a 4xe.
The 4xe is bad for long drives, though. We'll never again take it on a long multi-state trip.

Well, if she drives it too much short distances and in E, then eventually the 4xe auto insists on the engine firing and won't allow E driving until the temperatures have been sustained for a certain time period. If then still short trips are all it gets this does not stop.

Edit: I see you already experienced that and wrote about it. My bad.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well, if she drives it too much short distances and in E, then eventually the 4xe auto insists on the engine firing and won't allow E driving until the temperatures have been sustained for a certain time period. If then still short trips are all it gets this does not stop.

Edit: I see you already experienced that and wrote about it. My bad.

Actually, no, we've not experienced FORM mode.
I know about it and how and why it works, and we've avoided it, or rather I've convinced my wife to WAIT to put gas in.
It was a bit low one time and she was afraid the prices were going to jump up and I told her wait, I'm not putting gas in until we can put in at least 4 gallons. (and of course then gas prices went down instead LOL)
When the engine does run, it runs enough to get up to full temperature, and when I drive it, I make really sure it does by taking it on the highway and pushing it. Not hard to do here with the hills where even my JT holds 5th gear for almost a mile to try to get up to 70 against the hill and near-constant winds. With the 4xe, that makes that little engine work a bit and warms it up fast.
Another way to force the engine to warm would be to go into e-save. That puts more load on the engine, less on the battery.
Anyway, bought in mid-January and so far, no FORM. It's going to happen, she's insisting on keeping the miles down on it due to the big insurance discount for staying under 7,500 miles in a year and she's already got over 4,000 on it in just 4 months thanks to our Florida trip. So it's going to sit a lot this year.
At least when the engine fires, it does so - normally - long enough to get up to full temperature all around.
Like I said - these guys that drive pure gas vehicles don't realize how abusive their short drives are for an engine. Sad what I've seen over the years, all because of short drives.

Seems to me that a recent flash was to do with FORM being a bit too sensitive or aggressive and they modified the criteria or something.

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