Another Noob Q

[magesh]

Heads up ... Noob Qs:

My wants/needs:
1a. I would like my rear camera activated when I activate the turn signals.
1b. Disable Auto Start/Stop? Or better still, should be disabled by default & I need to enable it when needed (stop & go situation)
1c. Auto unlock based on proximity (key fob based)

2. GMRS or FRS. For the next 6 to 12 months, I will not be out of sight of any fellow Jeepers while wheeling, etc .. Till I get comfortable to go solo, my plan will be to within earshot/eyesight while I'm outdoors. Do I need a GMRS? Or will FRS suffice?


Q1: I see several posts here & there, about Tazers and jScan. Based on (re)search, I think I understand pros & cons. Can I address 1 using only one unit? And do they need to be permanently tethered in the car? Can I remove them, after changing the settings?

Q2: I understand the differences between both. However, since I hike/MTB solo, my plan was to get an inReach garmin device for emergencies. But I saw this unit, (
BTECH GMRS-PRO 5W GPS, Bluetooth) and wondered if this could solve the GMRS+GPS needs I have, especially areas without any cell signals. (Also, I'm leaning towards GMRS for the benefit of others in my riding group, if I'm at basecamp and they need to reach me in case of emergencies. FRS will not work in such situations.) If I go the GMRS route, it should have the bluetooth ability to share my phone location. Or the GMRS location. I see only this BTEch product. Any other recos?

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TIA

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[NotoriousWIG]

I can only speak to my experience with Tazer JL Mini and question 1.

Tazer can do all of the wants/needs for item one, provided you have the proximity handles and harness installed.

For the rear camera enable on turn signal and auto start/stop, you will need to leave the tazer installed as those are "Live" functions. Also, it doesnt really disable auto start/stop, simply remembers the state you last left it in.

 

[Deadpool392]

I have JScan and it works for my needs, but it offers no live functions. So you won’t be able to activate the camera with blinker function. Tazer’s offer more functionality, but they also cost more, so it is definitely up to the end user to decide.

 

[PuddleJumper]

Heads up ... Noob Qs:

My wants/needs:
1a. I would like my rear camera activated when I activate the turn signals.
1b. Disable Auto Start/Stop? Or better still, should be disabled by default & I need to enable it when needed (stop & go situation)
1c. Auto unlock based on proximity (key fob based)

2. GMRS or FRS. For the next 6 to 12 months, I will not be out of sight of any fellow Jeepers while wheeling, etc .. Till I get comfortable to go solo, my plan will be to within earshot/eyesight while I'm outdoors. Do I need a GMRS? Or will FRS suffice?


Q1: I see several posts here & there, about Tazers and jScan. Based on (re)search, I think I understand pros & cons. Can I address 1 using only one unit? And do they need to be permanently tethered in the car? Can I remove them, after changing the settings?

Q2: I understand the differences between both. However, since I hike/MTB solo, my plan was to get an inReach garmin device for emergencies. But I saw this unit, (
BTECH GMRS-PRO 5W GPS, Bluetooth) and wondered if this could solve the GMRS+GPS needs I have, especially areas without any cell signals. (Also, I'm leaning towards GMRS for the benefit of others in my riding group, if I'm at basecamp and they need to reach me in case of emergencies. FRS will not work in such situations.) If I go the GMRS route, it should have the bluetooth ability to share my phone location. Or the GMRS location. I see only this BTEch product. Any other recos?

Admins: Please move it to the right folder if it should not be here.

TIA

Cheers

to group 1. Tazer mini is my rec. It can be unplugged but will only save tire size, gearing, light congif etc. it has to be plugged in for permanent live func, like cam on turn sig. Prox is based on factory installed equipment.

2. GMRS and FRS are on the same band. they can hear/talk to each other. With the restriction of a license needed for GMRS and channels 8-15 are FRS broadcast only, GMRS cannot broadcast on them. In your case i would start with a tethered FRS handheld ie one you can plug in so your not reliant on batteries. FRS is also a 5w max which would be fine for you. GMRS can go up to 50w but this isn't a direct translation to range as both are line of sight only. odds are if you can't see em, they can't hear you. GMRS can use repeaters however i rec some education on how to use em properly.

2b. As far as emergencies the SOS option in your Gladiator is a solid bet if activated. It will and can use Sat if needed. I also rec getting SXM travel sub even if you dont get the music. It allows real time Weather, Radar, and other features via SAT. for emergency away from vehicle, inReach Garmin or similar is unmatched. There's no guarantee ever that emergency service or anyone else can hear you or will be actively listening on GMRS. Garmin however does.

 

[Gvsukids]

8-15 are FRS broadcast only,

FRS can broadcast on more channels than those.

 

[Escape.idiocracy]

My wants/needs:
1a. I would like my rear camera activated when I activate the turn signals.
1b. Disable Auto Start/Stop? Or better still, should be disabled by default & I need to enable it when needed (stop & go situation)
1c. Auto unlock based on proximity (key fob based)

2. GMRS or FRS. For the next 6 to 12 months, I will not be out of sight of any fellow Jeepers while wheeling, etc .. Till I get comfortable to go solo, my plan will be to within earshot/eyesight while I'm outdoors. Do I need a GMRS? Or will FRS suffice?


Q1: I see several posts here & there, about Tazers and jScan. Based on (re)search, I think I understand pros & cons. Can I address 1 using only one unit? And do they need to be permanently tethered in the car? Can I remove them, after changing the settings?
Both? I changed settings and monitor/gauges with Jscan- but use the tazer as the gateway unlock to do this in unmarried status. Also use the live pushbutton features with the tazer installed. A lot can be done with tazer, their site, YouTube and a lot of posts here have good answers.

Q2: I understand the differences between both. However, since I hike/MTB solo, my plan was to get an inReach garmin device for emergencies. But I saw this unit, (
BTECH GMRS-PRO 5W GPS, Bluetooth) and wondered if this could solve the GMRS+GPS needs I have, especially areas without any cell signals. (Also, I'm leaning towards GMRS for the benefit of others in my riding group, if I'm at basecamp and they need to reach me in case of emergencies. FRS will not work in such situations.) If I go the GMRS route, it should have the bluetooth ability to share my phone location. Or the GMRS location. I see only this BTEch product. Any other recos?
Long game- HAM, short game GMRS/FRS would go with whatever the guys you are going out with have… HAM would be the long term goal, get your license- this is a lifelong handy tool….

Garmin inreach is an awesome tool too. We have a hand held GMRS, permanent HAM, and an inreach in the Jeep pretty much every time we go out. UV-9G’s are usually in our camel backs when we go mountain biking. They are water resistant and are pretty cheap.

The inreach is a challenging one to recommend…. I usually backpack with the inreach explorer- however the new mini2 and a battery backup would probably be the way to go…. Especially now that the explorer has almost doubled in price since i picked it up ? please do some reading on what the SOS button gets you… I think garmin has one of the better programs…. But search inreach SOS on YouTube and google… :| that can turn into a S.Show….
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[ShadowsPapa]

1c. Auto unlock based on proximity (key fob based)

As others have said - this isn't a matter of tazer or jscan, it's a matter of your truck having the door handle, wiring and so on for this to function.
Once the equipment is installed, then AlfaOBD, JSCAN or TAZER can change the not present to present and other settings needed to make it work.
But if you don't have the hardware in the truck, it's not going to happen no matter what software, or tazer, you use.

 

[PuddleJumper]

FRS can broadcast on more channels than those.

yes i know that. but channels 8-15 are FRS broadcast only channels. GMRS cannot but they can listen. Both have functions from 1-22.

 

[SargeDiesel]

My wants/needs:
1a. I would like my rear camera activated when I activate the turn signals.
1b. Disable Auto Start/Stop? Or better still, should be disabled by default & I need to enable it when needed (stop & go situation)
1c. Auto unlock based on proximity (key fob based)

2. GMRS or FRS. For the next 6 to 12 months, I will not be out of sight of any fellow Jeepers while wheeling, etc .. Till I get comfortable to go solo, my plan will be to within earshot/eyesight while I'm outdoors. Do I need a GMRS? Or will FRS suffice?


Q1: I see several posts here & there, about Tazers and jScan. Based on (re)search, I think I understand pros & cons. Can I address 1 using only one unit? And do they need to be permanently tethered in the car? Can I remove them, after changing the settings?
Both? I changed settings and monitor/gauges with Jscan- but use the tazer as the gateway unlock to do this in unmarried status. Also use the live pushbutton features with the tazer installed. A lot can be done with tazer, their site, YouTube and a lot of posts here have good answers.

Q2: I understand the differences between both. However, since I hike/MTB solo, my plan was to get an inReach garmin device for emergencies. But I saw this unit, (
BTECH GMRS-PRO 5W GPS, Bluetooth) and wondered if this could solve the GMRS+GPS needs I have, especially areas without any cell signals. (Also, I'm leaning towards GMRS for the benefit of others in my riding group, if I'm at basecamp and they need to reach me in case of emergencies. FRS will not work in such situations.) If I go the GMRS route, it should have the bluetooth ability to share my phone location. Or the GMRS location. I see only this BTEch product. Any other recos?
Long game- HAM, short game GMRS/FRS would go with whatever the guys you are going out with have… HAM would be the long term goal, get your license- this is a lifelong handy tool….

Garmin inreach is an awesome tool too. We have a hand held GMRS, permanent HAM, and an inreach in the Jeep pretty much every time we go out. UV-9G’s are usually in our camel backs when we go mountain biking. They are water resistant and are pretty cheap.

The inreach is a challenging one to recommend…. I usually backpack with the inreach explorer- however the new mini2 and a battery backup would probably be the way to go…. Especially now that the explorer has almost doubled in price since i picked it up ? please do some reading on what the SOS button gets you… I think garmin has one of the better programs…. But search inreach SOS on YouTube and google… :| that can turn into a S.Show….
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Agreed with 99%... But the other 1% from what I have seen is most groups are moving away from HAM / CB and moving into GMRS. HAM definitely has it's place, but a good GMRS hardwired with a couple handhelds should be able to cover just about any situation IMO.

 

[BearFootSam]

GMRS is an easy cheap license to get and covers your household which is handy. I'm going to second the recommendation you work towards your technicians (amateur radio) license. A technicians license will open up cool options like APRS (automated packet reporting system) which beacons your position and additional data either directly or via repeaters onto an i-gate that puts your location on the web. Newer mobile units will even plot received packets on a map and all will provide you a bearing and distance to a given station. As you get into the 2m/70cm bands you can leverage winmail for untethered email or use the APRS RF to text feature to reach friends back home without a license. The quality of the equipment is far better than any GMRS/FRS unit. With a 5w handheld 2m radio it's nothing to hit a repeater 40-50 miles out, especially if they're on mountain top towers.

Off the beaten path you can leverage a robust repeater network or utilize the 10M band for longer distance regional comms without infrastructure. With a 5w multi-band ham radio like the FT-817 you have access to bands from 160m-70cm. 5w watts is enough to reach 3-4,000 miles with just a simple wire antenna.

Last thing - I'll plug the emergency use cases as a valuable reason to get into HAM. In the worst of times you will still be able to communicate world wide so long as there is someone to hear your contacts. In a natural disaster it might be your only option for some time.

 

[Alan SOBX]

The Tazer takes care of what you need. I love mine and leave it plugged in for the Live functions. I highly encourage the extension cable. I have large hands so it was a problem getting to the SGW port. I got the cables out but had to get my wife (long, skinny fingers) to plug the extension cable back in. Now, it is a snap to take the device out and plug the SGW cables back into the original position via the extension.

I really like the backup camera on while turning since I live on a beach and can keep an eye on bikers coming up behind me if I have to wait to turn. I also hate wearing a seatbelt while bumping around on sand or driving 25 mph down Ocean Drive so could turn off the stupid chime. Those two among about 10-12 other changes I made with the Tazer. (Turning off the license plate lights when in reverse so you don’t get camera glare is a high recommend too).

 

[cranbiz]

yes i know that. but channels 8-15 are FRS broadcast only channels. GMRS cannot but they can listen. Both have functions from 1-22.

Man, You are so wrong here. GMRS radios can transmit on every channel in the FRS/GMRS frequency spectrum.

Here is the list and the usage rules.
Current FRS/GMRS Channels (effective September 28, 2017)

• Note that the old GMRS channels (the 462 MHz splinter channels and the 462/467 repeater channels) were not required to narrowband.
• FRS channel numbers commonly used by 22 channel radios are shown in the leftmost column.
• Most 22 channel radios of this type which were formerly marketed as GMRS/FRS combination radios (radios that are not capable of repeater operation, do not include the repeater input frequencies, have a maximum power of 2 watts and have a non-detachable antenna) have been reclassified as FRS radios.

New FRS/GMRS Channel Table

FRS Channel	Frequency	FRS Power	FRS Bandwidth	GMRS Power	GMRS Bandwidth	Notes/Usage
01	462.5625	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
02	462.5875	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
03	462.6125	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
04	462.6375	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
05	462.6625	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
06	462.6875	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
07	462.7125	2 W	12.5 kHz	5 W	20 kHz	(1)
08	467.5625	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
09	467.5875	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
10	467.6125	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
11	467.6375	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
12	467.6625	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
13	467.6875	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
14	467.7125	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	0.5 W	12.5 kHz	(1)
15	462.5500	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
16	462.5750	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
17	462.6000	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
18	462.6250	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
19	462.6500	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
20	462.6750	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
21	462.7000	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
22	462.7250	2 W	12.5 kHz	50 W	20 kHz	(1) (2)
	467.5500			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.5750			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.6000			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.6250			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.6500			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.6750			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.7000			50 W	20 kHz	(3)
	467.7250			50 W	20 kHz	(3)

Notes

• (1) Shared FRS and GMRS simplex.
• (2) GMRS repeater output.
• (3) GMRS repeater input only.
• For suggested and unofficial channel usages see the Family Radio Service and General Mobile Radio Service wiki articles.

Channels 1-14 are low power FRS/GMRS shared channels. Both services can operate fully on 1-14 with the only difference is the amount of power legal to use. FRS radios are limited to 2W on 1-7, .5W on 8-14 and 2W on 15-22. GMRS is 5W 1-7, .5W 8-14 and 50W 15-22 AND has the ability to use a repeater on 15-22 and can have a detachable antenna where FRS must have a fixed antenna.

 

[RubiDukkie]

GMRS radios can transmit on every channel in the FRS/GMRS frequency spectrum.

Hey Bob, that is true for portable/handheld units. My mobile GMRS unit is a Midland MXT275 and it does not have FRS channels 8-14. I didn't realize that until the first time the trail lead for an offroad ride picked a channel in that range for the group to communicate on and noticed my radio skipped from 7 to 15. According to the manual they are restricted to portable (handheld) units. I do have those FRS channels on my handheld Radioddity GM-30 (same as Baofeng GM-15).

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hey Bob, that is true for portable/handheld units. My mobile GMRS unit is a Midland MXT275 and it does not have FRS channels 8-14. I didn't realize that until the first time the trail lead for an offroad ride picked a channel in that range for the group to communicate on and noticed my radio skipped from 7 to 15. According to the manual they are restricted to portable (handheld) units. I do have those FRS channels on my handheld Radioddity GM-30 (same as Baofeng GM-15).

Yeah, look at the wattage in his chart - telling.

 

[RubiDukkie]

Yeah, look at the wattage in his chart - telling.

Yea, i just had to look this up myself.

https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blo...rs-radios-dont-transmit-on-channels-8-14.html

The real reason can be easily found within the FCC rules for GMRS. Specifically, the rule in Part 95, Subpart E which limits the frequencies commonly assigned to channels 8-14 to hand-held radios only. Here is the applicable section (from § 95.1763 GMRS channels):

(d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5675, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz.

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