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Ram 2022 3500 S.O. my regens were down to 50mile intervals.

Things replaced. Truck up to current recalls and flashes.

Air filter.
Map sensor.
Ccv filter.
Pcv filter.
Hpfp leak test.
Injector power balance test.
Dpf replacement.
Injectors pulled and set out for testing.
Rocker arms and push rods replaced.
Hpfp leak test again.
Egr inspected
Turbo inspected
Intercooler inspected.
3 weeks of live testing and recording.
Injectors replaced.
Cam and lifters pulled and inspected.
Main bearings inspected.
Another Dpf.

I've had 3 different star case numbers and special mechanics out twice to look at my truck.

Dealership and I have figured out it must be a program issue and its causing my truck to over fuel. Like I said not much you can do.

My air filter and oil changed every 5k and fuel filters every 10k. I ran fuel and oil additives.
Sounds complex in your case. I have had zero issue thus far on 3 Diesels. Mystery over fueling is tough on the engine. Did you ever replace the whole ECU with a new one and programed it from scratch not cloned.
 

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Sounds complex in your case. I have had zero issue thus far on 3 Diesels. Mystery over fueling is tough on the engine. Did you ever replace the whole ECU with a new one and programed it from scratch not cloned.

It seems to be late 2021++ with issues. It's all the new emissions standards the have to meet. Ford and GM are having some issues as well. Ram wont approve pcm swap. They are over $100k in repair and parts on warranty work. They cut me off untill check engine light comes back on or something breaks. They cut my rental off when I hit $10k.
 

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I wasn’t talking about not being compliant diesels. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I was talking about it not yet being possible to replace them entirely. That’s not ready yet, but it should be. We have the technology, but choose not to use it. People like money, more than the planet for their grandchildren.
Someone told me while back that it was either Tesla or Freightliner had a class 8 OTR EV prototype truck capable of 500 miles @ gross weight of 80,000lbs. It was just some general tid bits and I know zero details. Where and how they got to that mileage I don’t know but it’s impressive.
 

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Green Diesel Engineering had this argument with the EPA. He argued that his tune can meet emissions requirements without EGR. The EPA could only point back to the written law which says you must have EGR and EGR must operate in certain conditions.

Interestingly, the new 3.0 Duramax doesn't have EGR due to the latest generation of technology.
EGR was pre EPA 07. The first step in emissions in the early days of it. It would lower in cylinder temps and reduce NOx. Opening at idle or decel, later it was calibrated to open under low load/low boost conditions. EPA 07 was the introduction of DPF. EGR was still viable then as a DPF does nothing for NOx. EPA13 along came SCR’s and DEF, at least for medium and heavy duty applications, I think light duty held off a few more years. With SCR there is absolutely NO point in having EGR. The need to control NOx in engine isn’t needed, that’s the entire reason for SCR is to clean up NOx. Given the choice I’d remove EGR and maintain the SCR. I could babble forever all the drawbacks to EGR and the shit I’ve seen it do and things it’s destroyed, but suffice to say it’s junk engineering, especially now.
In a sense DOC/DPF/SCR can be considered an add on. It’s not integrated to the base engine, engine calibration in ECM works with it when requested. EGR on the other hand is part of the base engine. I’ve literally in 27 something years of doing this have never seen an SCR destroy an engine, I’ve seen dosing valves destroy SCRs but never an engine, I however have seen EGR valves destroy engines, DOCs, and DPFs many many times.
 

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Someone told me while back that it was either Tesla or Freightliner had a class 8 OTR EV prototype truck capable of 500 miles @ gross weight of 80,000lbs. It was just some general tid bits and I know zero details. Where and how they got to that mileage I don’t know but it’s impressive.
I have no doubt it’s buildable to do an EV semi. But I think they’ll hold charging power required to not have those trucks dormant for 3 days while charging is lacking. I’d rather see extended range electric with generators until that improves enough.

if there’s enough power to handle the ferries to Alcatraz and Niagara Falls, with extreme currents and way more resistance, they can certainly do it with trucks.
 

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Someone told me while back that it was either Tesla or Freightliner had a class 8 OTR EV prototype truck capable of 500 miles @ gross weight of 80,000lbs. It was just some general tid bits and I know zero details. Where and how they got to that mileage I don’t know but it’s impressive.
They both have EV semi's. Tesla's semi burnt to the ground earlier this year. All semi's have a gross weight of 80,000 lbs. Anything over that needs a permit. From what I read. Over half the weight of a EV semi is the battery. And it takes hours to recharge the battery.
 

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They both have EV semi's. Tesla's semi burnt to the ground earlier this year. All semi's have a gross weight of 80,000 lbs. Anything over that needs a permit. From what I read. Over half the weight of a EV semi is the battery. And it takes hours to recharge the battery.
Yeah those trucks would be relegated to paper towels or LTL freight, maybe triples for FedEx, would be worthless for any weightI couldn’t imagine one hauling equipment or any A or B train combo. I wasn’t aware the Tesla burnt down, but I don’t follow on highway stuff. My world is off highway and a small engine is 19 liters.
 

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I read through this entire thread and it just made me laugh especially efficiencies and then tying EVs into all this. What a joke! You can sell a hellcat charge/challenger, TRX or Raptor R that get 8mpg and the turn around and say diesels are killing the earth at 30mpg without stuff that ruins engines.

Hypothetical Questions:
1. How much pollution/emissions (includes, mining minerals, transportation of those minerals, energy and emissions of creating all the pieces and parts, assembly etc etc) does it take to build an engine
2. What is the emissions/energy cost if that engine dies at 200k miles because of the current emissions restrictions placed on engine
3. What is the emissions/energy costs if said engine last ~400k miles WITHOUT the mission restrictions placed on engine.

If the EPA actually gave a sh!t about the environment it would force all manufacturers of goods to display on production/window stickers how much:
1. Pollution/emission caused from birth to purchase of final product (includes, mining, farming, transportation, assembly etc)
2. How much energy it used to make the final product (includes, mining, farming, transportation, assembly etc)
3. How much in quantities of each element was required to make the final product and where it was mined
4. How much emissions was expected over the service life of the product

Until then it’s all just politics about pushing certain agendas.

Personally I’m not deleting any emissions stuff but it’s all BS. A few years ago I flew mission where I dumped 100k pounds of fuel out of the back of my aircraft because of a scheduling snafu and no receivers showed up. That’s the same government pushing this EPA crap.
 

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I think you guys need to define “emissions”… the fact that diesel makes soot tells me that the carbon is coming out solid and will just go into the soil. I’d imagine CO2 is much less because the C in CO2 is in another form. Then we need to ask is CO2 even bad??? At 350ppm it makes up about .004% of our air, whereas oxygen in 21%. I’m not sure that making plant food is really all that bad, the earth today is much greener than just a few decades ago.

Another thing to consider is, in the desert we are importing mass amounts of water. a gallon of gas emits a gallon (ish) of water in the form a vapor. In the desert this may be a blessing, in fact in the county I live we sell about 8 million gallon of retail (not commercial) gasoline PER DAY… so we are importing 8 million gallons of water per day, most goes into the atmosphere, which leads to the next point. The worst greenhouse gas is in fact water vapor, far farrrr worse than CO2.

We need real unbiased science … remember carbon monoxide, the real poison gas? Well, we fixed that, now it looks like we are trying to make a new enemy and I am not sure CO2 is it… I’d like to see real data over the course of a years operation of various vehicles to quantify what “pollutants” are generated. We focus on soot, CO2, NOX, etc what else is there.

also, they always pick on the middle class tax payer to do all the work, put DEF/DOF/SCR/EGR on a few cruise ships and tankers and I guarantee you will do FAR more emissions improvements than ALL the little vehicles we use.

I never said I am against EVs... I am against all the clowns that think their EV is "zero rmission" and beautifully green on the environment.

Comparing the battery in your EV to a cell phone is like comparing the emissions of a moped to a Battleship.

The fact is even if you used rooftop solar for all charging then you get into the component of the solar panels too and the carbon footprint of sourcing materials and making them. The fact is nothing has a perfect zero footprint. And the EV car is no exception. Additionally it is not any cleaner when all facets are taken into consideration. The saying always applies that you do not get something for nothing.

Rolling Coal I find funny because I have seen many DPF / EGR deleted on a modern diesel and they typically have a very hard time "rolling coal" as the fuel is highly atomized and very efficiently burned. Add biomass based diesel and it becomes less.
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