Jeep CEO admits last CEO was bad

[Hootbro]

Dude these people are hopeless. It's a shame that abundant energy became a political topic and people picked sides like a football team or something.

People who own EVs bring receipts. People who have never owned or driven one think they're some kind of subject matter experts. They know... they have the Internet and their algorithm delivered 'truths'. They’ve done their ' research ' bro......effing hilarious. I've got EV and ICE. Informed opinion. Luddites only have ICE.

I've had some of my most hard headed ' muh V8 ' friends in the EV.... they're always sold instantly. The only reason for a gas vehicle these days is remote fun ( Jeep ) and towing shit. EVs destroy ICE in every other category. But they're.....just.....not.....REAAADYYY yet. lol

Yeah, but are you not like a Goldilocks EV profile user with 400 amp service to your house, Solar and in an area with established local EV charging networks? I can see how it makes sense for you.

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[ecidiego]

Yeah, but are you not like a Goldilocks EV profile user with 400 amp service to your house, Solar and in an area with established local EV charging networks? I can see how it makes sense for you.

Fair.

 

[ecidiego]

I am confused. So, you are saying your cost to charge an EV Blazer is $0? So, you do not pay for the electricity in your home? You are paying $10,400 more for the EV Blazer than the ICE Blazer. And $440 per month for gas? That is like $5 per gallon. That is insane, you must live in California. EVs are ok. I have no issue with them, but people who buy them tent to be unrealistic. All that money you saved in gas was spent up front to purchase. Even when you factor tax rebates. Free to you, but the cost comes from some place. And $5 a gallon when most of the rest of the country is under $3.
Of course, people bring political rhetoric. It is the political rhetoric that has you thinking you are not paying for that EV blazer in up-front cost, tax rebates come from the tax rebates are a gift from the government for hugging trees really tight, and that $5 per gallon for gas is a fair price.
I have not even gotten into the "Where does the EV batteries come from, and how do we dispose of them" conversation or the Dino needed to make all the plastics in said EV. The idea that EVs are clean, and cheap to drive, and earth friendly is the myth. And to charge to 80%? What is that? When I fill my tank, it goes to near 100%
I thought this thread was about the CEO of Jeep. I think the CEO of Jeep should now and always be a business-oriented Jeep enthusiast. How can you understand your product if you do not understand your customers. Building EVs is a good thing, but to focus on that when you build a vehicle like the Wrangler/Gladiator is insane. You need people at the top to understand the Jeep consumer, the product they buy, how they drive it, and their relationship to it. EV UTVs do not sell well. Why? Because you can't charge them in the woods. A ICE powered UTV can run out of gas, and you at least can get gas, and bring it to it should you need too. So not everything is EV ready, and the CEO needs to understand this, and should understand this if he or she is going to run Jeep. Why can't we just get more gas hybrids? Toyota seems to be the front runner in that.

Yes, 0. $35k solar system paid for itself in 2.5 years. Instead of $1,200/mo electric bill ( No EV then ), it's now $25/mo....mandatory taxes and fees. Even with the EV I'm still $25/mo due to NEM 2 metering. Now I don't pay $400ish a month in gasoline to drive to work and drive my kids to school and sports.

Yes, California. No, I'm not a Democrat. No, I'm not trying to save the world with green energy. I'm trying to exist and survive in the city where I was born.

 

[ecidiego]

What I really need to do is get rid of my gas appliances LOL. What really enrages me is when people say solar is a scam. I guess if you have full shade at your house year round....

This system in San Diego can power an air conditioner running at 67° year round, charge two EV's year round, and power all electric appliances year-round. Scam? I guess I am scamming myself saving $17,000 a year in electric bills. That's now. In 2030 with rate increases it might be $25,000 a year. In 2035 maybe $30,000! Again.... I paid $35,000.... once. I own them. These panels will perform for 25 years and beyond. At year 20 they may be degraded about 15% which is still enough.

 

[ecidiego]

Those panels at the bottom left I got to cut those palm trees down... they are costing me money....

As for my faith and trust in EVs I did install my EVSE ( they are mains extensions not chargers the charger is onboard the car ) on an outside fence post and I charge it in the driveway. If it catches on fire it's in my driveway..not my garage. I'm pragmatic and extremely cautious.

I used a data center waterfall to get the cable over the fence to the driveway. There's nothing like a 'gas station' at your house.....highly recommend it. It's liberating not giving a flying fuck about OPEC and whatever is going on in the world to drive your car. Imagine being able to drive your car without caring about the political situation in the world or wars or anything at all. It costs NOTHING to drive.

inb4 new tires. Brakes? Don't use them. 1 pedal baby.

 

[ecidiego]

@Hootbro you had a good comment. However.... I'd wager over half of the US population have favorable EV conditions.

They're here...they're the future and not going away. If US manufacturers want to bet on an administration like the current one staying in power for the next 20 years I think that might be an unwise decision.

Coal for power plants and gasoline for vehicle propulsion aren't the way forward.

Oil has many uses which we will need for 100 or more years. Lighting it on fire for vehicles to move forward is not one of them as @Sweetums said.

 

[Rusty PW]

Yes, 0. $35k solar system paid for itself in 2.5 years. Instead of $1,200/mo electric bill ( No EV then ), it's now $25/mo....mandatory taxes and fees. Even with the EV I'm still $25/mo due to NEM 2 metering. Now I don't pay $400ish a month in gasoline to drive to work and drive my kids to school and sports.

Yes, California. No, I'm not a Democrat. No, I'm not trying to save the world with green energy. I'm trying to exist and survive in the city where I was born.

This is why it works for you. The $1,200 month electric bill that you had. My electric bill is between $300 to $400 a month. And I don't get that many sunny days. It would take a long time for it to pay for it's self. The only things in my house that isn't electric is the gas furnace and stove. And I'm not given up my stove stove. My gas bill is $129 a month on a budget plan.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

Those panels at the bottom left I got to cut those palm trees down... they are costing me money....

As for my faith and trust in EVs I did install my EVSE ( they are mains extensions not chargers the charger is onboard the car ) on an outside fence post and I charge it in the driveway. If it catches on fire it's in my driveway..not my garage. I'm pragmatic and extremely cautious.

I used a data center waterfall to get the cable over the fence to the driveway. There's nothing like a 'gas station' at your house.....highly recommend it. It's liberating not giving a flying fuck about OPEC and whatever is going on in the world to drive your car. Imagine being able to drive your car without caring about the political situation in the world or wars or anything at all. It costs NOTHING to drive.

inb4 new tires. Brakes? Don't use them. 1 pedal baby.

That's a good setup. And nice being able to keep it outside. Wouldn't be possible here where I live. Too much snow so would need to build a dedicated structure away from the garage to get a similar setup. Picture a car port with sides.

And I don't recall anyone claiming solar is a scam. Windmills yes, but not solar. Solar's usefulness is very dependent on where you live however. You are in the perfect area for solar, I'm not, but I still want a solar system as a emergency backup for when NV Energy fails to deliver.

And for the 6 months or so where I can get useful power from it, it would be nice to not have to pay The Man!

 

[WestwallNF104A]

@Hootbro you had a good comment. However.... I'd wager over half of the US population have favorable EV conditions.

They're here...they're the future and not going away. If US manufacturers want to bet on an administration like the current one staying in power for the next 20 years I think that might be an unwise decision.

Coal for power plants and gasoline for vehicle propulsion aren't the way forward.

Oil has many uses which we will need for 100 or more years. Lighting it on fire for vehicles to move forward is not one of them as @Sweetums said.

Nowhere near half. Single family residences are the majority of where the systems can be installed, and even there government regulations can get in the way.

 

[Viper501]

@ecidiego I think SoCal’s electric rates are designed and intended to force the adoption by justifying the massive outlay of upfront costs. In my area I’m paying at peak about $500 / mos for gas and electric combined. Average comes down to about 250 per month. That’s for a fairly large home with electric A/C and a gas furnace for the main floor.

California electrical infrastructure seems to be a massive **** show. I can definitely understand wanting to get as far away from those companies as possible.

 

[WestwallNF104A]

This is why it works for you. The $1,200 month electric bill that you had. My electric bill is between $300 to $400 a month. And I don't get that many sunny days. It would take a long time for it to pay for it's self. The only things in my house that isn't electric is the gas furnace and stove. And I'm not given up my stove stove. My gas bill is $129 a month on a budget plan.

Yeah, NV Energy has outage issues, but my electrical bill averages out at 300 per month too. Summer is about 100 more per month depending on how much we run the AC. The nights get cool so it only really gets run during the day.

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

Those electric prices are why I installed mine.
@ecidiego Do you have batteries attached to that system or strictly grid tie?

 

[Rusty PW]

Typically winter day.

 

[ecidiego]

Those electric prices are why I installed mine.
@ecidiego Do you have batteries attached to that system or strictly grid tie?

No batteries. NEM 2. My overproduction pays for everything I use when the sun is down . 17 years left of that. If I am still alive when my grandfathering runs out I will definitely need batteries.

 

[ecidiego]

As far as batteries I don't think I would ever install any. Use the EV. Our Blazer has a 102KwH pack. I don't have the infrastructure installed at my house to plug my car into my house but I can do it for about 5k. Instead of paying $20,000 for 20KwH.... just use your EV during power outages. My Blazer can run my house for about 4 days if the pack was fully charged.

But yeah.... need to spend 5k to plug the car into the house =D The longest power outage I can remember here....in 21 years of ownership....was about 4 hours.

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