My JT came in, not buying it

[Ole Cowboy]

Got a call from dealer your Jeep is here, I turned it down as we have decided to wait on the diesel, Dealer knew that way back and decided to go forward with it anyhow. One great looking Jeep.

IF you are looking for a JT Rubicon this Jeep can be had on a great deal. It is at Ancira Jeep, the sales guy is Jay, every one knows him, been there for over 20 years. Bought several Jeeps from him, great guy.

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[tbaker]

The problem is diesel is a lot more expensive to keep up I just traded in my 2019 F250 diesel on a Jeep gladiator rubicon for that reason

 

[Ole Cowboy]

The problem is diesel is a lot more expensive to keep up I just traded in my 2019 F250 diesel on a Jeep gladiator rubicon for that reason

True, I am on my 5th F 350 and as soon as I can place an order for a 2020 F 450 I will, but I don't buy these because I want to, its because I have a NEED for them...

 

[futzin']

The problem

I would say 'A' problem, not 'the' problem. A diesel brings some solutions to the table as well such as power, longevity and better MPG.
In theory I'd like to consider one because ours will see a lot of miles and some towing. But the expense combined with my perceived possibility of lack of reliability means I'll prolly go gas. But I'd still most like to have the 5.7 in it!

 

[rvillano8188]

True, I am on my 5th F 350 and as soon as I can place an order for a 2020 F 450 I will, but I don't buy these because I want to, its because I have a NEED for them...

Just wondering why you're going to end up waiting for a diesel gladiator that will have less towing capacity (from what I've researched so far) and cost more to buy and to maintain.

Is this strictly for more Torque? that seems to be the only upside to getting a diesel. I know better MPG, but also more expensive fuel as well. For the possible uptick in engine cost (and additional wait of who knows how long), couldn't you just do some work to the gas Rubi to get more out of it?

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Just wondering why you're going to end up waiting for a diesel gladiator that will have less towing capacity (from what I've researched so far) and cost more to buy and to maintain.

Is this strictly for more Torque? that seems to be the only upside to getting a diesel. I know better MPG, but also more expensive fuel as well. For the possible uptick in engine cost (and additional wait of who knows how long), couldn't you just do some work to the gas Rubi to get more out of it?

My tow requirement < 5000 lbs for business use so yes, its a torque thing for sure. To get more out of the Anemic V6 the best you can do is a SC and a chip, but no matter what you do the curve is dictated by the cam profile and we are looking at an engine that spreads its job from 800 rpm - about 6000 + with most of the torque showing up in the top side of the rpm band. One might notice that diesel max out <3200 rpm. My F 350 idles at more torque that the Jeep V6 peaks at.

For all of its drawbacks the Jeep I6 ah la TJ is still the best engine that has ever been under the hood...if you like to play in the rocks. 4:88's, 4:1 transfer case and 4:1 1st gear behind that I 6 and it need very little go pedal to run anything in Moab or any other places.

the Jeep needs a big bore, long stroke SC engine with the torque showing up around 1400 rpm and the HP showing up above 3200, add a SC into the mix and you have a happy Jeep

 

[rvillano8188]

My tow requirement < 5000 lbs for business use so yes, its a torque thing for sure. To get more out of the Anemic V6 the best you can do is a SC and a chip, but no matter what you do the curve is dictated by the cam profile and we are looking at an engine that spreads its job from 800 rpm - about 6000 + with most of the torque showing up in the top side of the rpm band. One might notice that diesel max out <3200 rpm. My F 350 idles at more torque that the Jeep V6 peaks at.

For all of its drawbacks the Jeep I6 ah la TJ is still the best engine that has ever been under the hood...if you like to play in the rocks. 4:88's, 4:1 transfer case and 4:1 1st gear behind that I 6 and it need very little go pedal to run anything in Moab or any other places.

the Jeep needs a big bore, long stroke SC engine with the torque showing up around 1400 rpm and the HP showing up above 3200, add a SC into the mix and you have a happy Jeep

All these diesel discussions, and that's the best explanation I have heard thus far.

I know for sure that the engine is more anemic that should be in this size truck, and that's my worry going from a supercharged 3.0 6 to a straight 3.6 6 and adding considerable weight in the process. That being said, the Jeep had more pep then I expected when I drove. Not optimal, but better than I gave it credit for. When modding, as a jeep beginner, I'm going to look to engine power before lifts, wheels, etc, for this reason. Nothing crazy, but it'll need more pep than it has.

 

[Thatrabbitfoot]

My tow requirement < 5000 lbs for business use so yes, its a torque thing for sure. To get more out of the Anemic V6 the best you can do is a SC and a chip, but no matter what you do the curve is dictated by the cam profile and we are looking at an engine that spreads its job from 800 rpm - about 6000 + with most of the torque showing up in the top side of the rpm band. One might notice that diesel max out <3200 rpm. My F 350 idles at more torque that the Jeep V6 peaks at.

For all of its drawbacks the Jeep I6 ah la TJ is still the best engine that has ever been under the hood...if you like to play in the rocks. 4:88's, 4:1 transfer case and 4:1 1st gear behind that I 6 and it need very little go pedal to run anything in Moab or any other places.

the Jeep needs a big bore, long stroke SC engine with the torque showing up around 1400 rpm and the HP showing up above 3200, add a SC into the mix and you have a happy Jeep

Is the red dash an option? i dont see it

 

[jeepncrowd]

Actually I'm at Ancira right now for the emissions flash for my WK2 ecodiesl...
I spoke with a sales guy and he said he had a silver in the back lot. Must have been your order.
I'm waiting for the gator though (fingers crossed the order banks open on time).
Unfortunately they won't match the 4-5% below invoice that mak haik is offering

 

[Oilburner]

For all of its drawbacks the Jeep I6 ah la TJ is still the best engine that has ever been under the hood...
...the Jeep needs a big bore, long stroke SC engine with the torque showing up around 1400 rpm and the HP showing up above 3200, add a SC into the mix and you have a happy Jeep

Sounding like a formula for the SC I6 they are supposed to be working on

 

[Ole Cowboy]

All these diesel discussions, and that's the best explanation I have heard thus far.

I know for sure that the engine is more anemic that should be in this size truck, and that's my worry going from a supercharged 3.0 6 to a straight 3.6 6 and adding considerable weight in the process. That being said, the Jeep had more pep then I expected when I drove. Not optimal, but better than I gave it credit for. When modding, as a jeep beginner, I'm going to look to engine power before lifts, wheels, etc, for this reason. Nothing crazy, but it'll need more pep than it has.

Looking at the 2020 Jeep Gladiator Engine Options and Power Outputs
The first 3.6L V6Pentastar engine. This produces 285 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque.

Yet the 3.6 liter in the Dodge Challenger is rated at 305horsepower and 270 lb.-ft. of torque in the Dodge Challenger; 90% of torque is available from 1,800 to 6,350 rpm, real-world punch

So what we know is there is more there if Jeep would just tap it!

HEY JEEP, I am towing and the Challenger is NOT...DUH!

Now let's take a look at the I6 of TJ fame...last time I saw something that flat was my first girlfriend without her bra on!

 

[rvillano8188]

Looking at the 2020 Jeep Gladiator Engine Options and Power Outputs
The first 3.6L V6Pentastar engine. This produces 285 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque.

Yet the 3.6 liter in the Dodge Challenger is rated at 305horsepower and 270 lb.-ft. of torque in the Dodge Challenger; 90% of torque is available from 1,800 to 6,350 rpm, real-world punch

So what we know is there is more there if Jeep would just tap it!

HEY JEEP, I am towing and the Challenger is NOT...DUH!

Now let's take a look at the I6 of TJ fame...last time I saw something that flat was my first girlfriend without her bra on!

I mean, I don't have the time or energy to compare the two vehicles, but I'm hoping you did. What exactly is different on the two vehicles? Exhaust I'm assuming is a given. 20HP and 10 lb-ft of torque is not a huge difference but very drastic considering the weight difference in the vehicles (over 1200 Lbs). Could that be the only difference? ECU changes?

 

[Ole Cowboy]

I mean, I don't have the time or energy to compare the two vehicles, but I'm hoping you did. What exactly is different on the two vehicles? Exhaust I'm assuming is a given. 20HP and 10 lb-ft of torque is not a huge difference but very drastic considering the weight difference in the vehicles (over 1200 Lbs). Could that be the only difference? ECU changes?

I am going to guess based upon the numbers that it is all in the ECU unless the Dodge engine has a different cam profile, used to be COMMON, you could get diff HP/Torque by ordering a different cam to be installed, I did once and it was a $10 buck upgrade, which gave me 10 HP...

That said WONDER if possible for the ECU from a Dodge to work on the Jeep (engine only)!

 

[Hemi]

I seriously want a diesel, but I don't put enough miles on day to day and the engine would just gunk up. Can't wait to see others rigs though - I can dream.

 

[lrtexasman]

I’m waiting on the diesel as well, because when I tow 3500 to 4000 lbs (small skiff/Off road toys) I want to tow it without constantly revving the motor. If the the diesel can’t be had on the Sport S Max Tow, then I will go with plan B.

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