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Heck, wouldn't a Sport S be more closely related to Overland - I'd think swap in the stuff from a Sport S with max tow would increase the payload at least on an Overland. The Rubicon would have the locking axles and so on - overkill for me - or......... maybe not.
I’m just thinking the Rubicon is max tow as a default since it has the 4.10s and wide axles. But I may be wrong on that. And every lifted JT has a set of springs and shocks to pass on. But I suppose that also applies to sport. Just need to know which is the right match to upgrade to max tow. Then need to find the wide axles with 4.10 rear from someone upgrading their axles.
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I’m just thinking the Rubicon is max tow as a default since it has the 4.10s and wide axles. But I may be wrong on that. And every lifted JT has a set of springs and shocks to pass on. But I suppose that also applies to sport. Just need to know which is the right match to upgrade to max tow. Then need to find the wide axles with 4.10 rear from someone upgrading their axles.
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See discussion in this thread:
Rubcion vs Max Tow Rear Suspension
Glad to see someone finally hitting on spring rate, and brakes.
Even my sales guy was telling me about spring HEIGHT and rate differences between the three versions of JT.
 

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Glad to see someone finally hitting on spring rate, and brakes.
Even my sales guy was telling me about spring HEIGHT and rate differences between the three versions of JT.
ABR TRAILER TOW PACKAGE
• 240 AMP ALTERNATOR (BAL)
• CLASS IV RECEIVER HITCH (XFH)
• HEAVY DUTY ENGINE COOLING (NMC) • TRAILER HITCH ZOOM (XNQ)

AJQ MAX TOW PACKAGE W/ 4.10 AXLE RATIO • 240 AMP ALTERNATOR (BAL)
• 245/75R17 BSW A/T DUELER TIRES (TTH)
• 110MPH VEHICLE MAX SPEED CALIBRATION (JJ3)
• 4.10 REAR AXLE RATIO (DMF)
• ANTI-LOCK 4-WHEEL DISC HD BRAKES (BR6)
• CLASS IV RECEIVER HITCH (XFH)
• DANA M210 WIDE FRONT AXLE (DJF)
• DANA M220 WIDE REAR AXLE (DRF)
• DAYTIME RUNNING LAMP SYSTEM (LMX)
• GVW RATING - 6250# (Z1B)
• HEAVY DUTY ENGINE COOLING (NMC)
• MOLDED-IN-COLOR FENDER FLARES (2-PC) (MM2) • TRAILER HITCH ZOOM (XNQ)
(*) Package AJQ includes package ABR content
There is no mention of springs in the max tow package. Makes me think sport and overland have the same springs and the real difference is the wide track 4.10 axles.
 

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There is no mention of springs in the max tow package. Makes me think sport and overland have the same springs and the real difference is the wide track 4.10 axles.
They also don't mention other things in there, too - like the wiring for the trailer towing, but it's there.
One way to know once and for all - if we can get someone who works at a dealership to do this - look up the spring part numbers.
My list simply says "lf spring, rf spring, lr spring, rr spring" - no numbers.
I've read over the months that they used larger diameter axles and also read about different spring rates and variable rate springs but can't find those articles again. It was in reviews and in one case had pictures of the JT up on a rack pointing to those things. Can't recall the details, rats.
But if someone would look in their parts listing - or maybe I could slip the parts guy a few bucks to look those numbers up for me.........
 

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There is no mention of springs in the max tow package. Makes me think sport and overland have the same springs and the real difference is the wide track 4.10 axles.
The coil springs are absolutely not the same. Base Sport and Overland have the softest coils. Overland gets 440/441 rear coils even with the towing package. Max Tow upgrades to 444/445 coils in the rear. Rubicon gets 450/451 rear coils. The Max Tow coils are also progressive, so that with higher loads they handle the weight better. There is a lot more to the Max Tow package than axles and gears.
 

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I just went and checked the payload rating on the sticker on my door jam. It is saying 1174 lbs payload for a Manual Gladiator Rubicon - 8.4 inch Premium auto group - Alpine Stereo upgrade, dimming mirror, LED lighting, blue tooth speaker, trail rack and cargo, upgraded rims & mud tires, towing package, hard top, hard top headliner, aux switches, tonneau cover, bedliner, slush mats.

Note: it came with the plastic bumper and I added the Mopar steel bumper after the fact.
 

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I just went and checked the payload rating on the sticker on my door jam. It is saying 1174 lbs payload for a Manual Gladiator Rubicon - 8.4 inch Premium auto group - Alpine Stereo upgrade, dimming mirror, LED lighting, blue tooth speaker, trail rack and cargo, upgraded rims & mud tires, towing package, hard top, hard top headliner, aux switches, tonneau cover, bedliner, slush mats.

Note: it came with the plastic bumper and I added the Mopar steel bumper after the fact.
That's added weight - any option you add increases the vehicle's weight, reducing payload. So you'd take the difference in bumper weight and reduce that 1174 by that much. That bumper is payload.
 

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Not sure what anyone is trying to prove here - that it's ok and fine and safe to overload or go over the spec?
I know it happens and I know they have fudge factors built-in.
What exactly is the point - proving the numbers don't mean anything?
 
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Not sure what anyone is trying to prove here - that it's ok and fine and safe to overload or go over the spec?
I know it happens and I know they have fudge factors built-in.
What exactly is the point - proving the numbers don't mean anything?
More that numbers do mean something. Knowing there is wiggle room is one thing, seeing how much overload folks put in their trucks is another, and reading reports on the effect of such actions is even more helpful
 

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More that numbers do mean something. Knowing there is wiggle room is one thing, seeing how much overload folks put in their trucks is another, and reading reports on the effect of such actions is even more helpful
I'd never suggest overloading any truck. But, if a guy was going to pick a midsize truck to occasionally overload, the Gladiator is the one. The rear frame is insanely overkill. It's as large and fully boxed as any full size truck frame in the 1/2 ton class and it has massive coil perches and bump stops.

Check out the 3rd video on the JT the Goonzquad boys are rebuilding on YouTube. They removed the bed and the rear chassis is built like a tank.
 

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I'd never suggest overloading any truck. But, if a guy was going to pick a midsize truck to occasionally overload, the Gladiator is the one. The rear frame is insanely overkill. It's as large and fully boxed as any full size truck frame in the 1/2 ton class and it has massive coil perches and bump stops.

Check out the 3rd video on the JT the Goonzquad boys are rebuilding on YouTube. They removed the bed and the rear chassis is built like a tank.
I don't really get concerned about frames until you insanely overload the truck. Most frames will handle far more than the sticker rating. It's the bearings, brakes and axles.
The springs on these are also smaller wire than the springs were on the front of my Javelin. About the same as the wire on the springs under the front of my Eagle. They'll only take the compression and vibration so many times before settling and sagging for good.
(when I got the SX4 both rear leaf spring mains were busted and the bottom coil of the left front spring was gone - hmmmmmm)
My concerns are always the wear parts.
I've never repaired busted or bent frames, but I've replaced a few springs, u-joints and bearings and axles for folks over the years.
The axles likely aren't going to leave you stranded on these unless you KEEP abusing them with more than a couple hundred pounds over. These are beefy axles to be sure. The pounding of off-roading demands that.
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