Flush Mount Tail Lights

[Gladiator_92]

Yes I understand manufacturing efficiencies and all that. Doesn't change the fact that it isn't a good design. I always thought the rear of the JT looked strange with those bulbous things hanging out.

But they could have done the jeep without that feature at all if it required such a compromising design. Also the housing is at least slightly different since the prox sensor package automatically gets you rear LED lights. Or could have designed something unique instead of trying to copy the JL. Oracle did it at a good price and figured out how to still support those stupid sensors.

Its an offroad truck, proof of a bad design was in the opening post here.

Maybe if the guy in that picture had the proximity sensors he'd still have a tail light... LOL JK

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[eaglerugby04]

Maybe if the guy in that picture had the proximity sensors he'd still have a tail light... LOL JK

Thats it! if they had added more sensors problem solved!!!!

 

[bring44]

Things can (will) break when you go off road...

 

[RobbertCole]

Yes I understand manufacturing efficiencies and all that. Doesn't change the fact that it isn't a good design. I always thought the rear of the JT looked strange with those bulbous things hanging out.

But they could have done the jeep without that feature at all if it required such a compromising design. Also the housing is at least slightly different since the prox sensor package automatically gets you rear LED lights. Or could have designed something unique instead of trying to copy the JL. Oracle did it at a good price and figured out how to still support those stupid sensors.

Its an offroad truck, proof of a bad design was in the opening post here.

the call for saftey is bigger than the call for ( in you opinion) offroad ready tail lights. The answer is to be careful.

or if you'd like to design a better pair of tail lights that fit the opening, the sensor, and conform to all government regulations ( not just North America) and then mass produce them for free im sure Jeep is listening.

 

[Dqban]

the call for saftey is bigger than the call for ( in you opinion) offroad ready tail lights. The answer is to be careful.

or if you'd like to design a better pair of tail lights that fit the opening, the sensor, and conform to all government regulations ( not just North America) and then mass produce them for free im sure Jeep is listening.

Jeep wrangler/gladiators are unique in that they are techinically off road vehicles first by design that have been given on road friendly features. Jeeps were initially vehicles of war. Given that fact....the design goals should cater to off road needs primarily and optional road friendly features (like sensors) should be designed around the off road philosophy of this vihicle...not the other way around.

Good engineering is about smart compromises. im not sure compromising trail worthyness with a protruding tail light for an optional road going feature was a wise engineering choice in a "trail ready" vehicle. Especially for a feature with little use off road.

 

[FLUndertaker]

Jeep wrangler/gladiators are unique in that they are techinically off road vehicles first by design that have been given on road friendly features. Jeeps were initially vehicles of war. Given that fact....the design goals should cater to off road needs primarily and optional road friendly features (like sensors) should be designed around the off road philosophy of this vihicle...not the other way around.

Good engineering is about smart compromises. im not sure compromising trail worthyness with a protruding tail light for an optional road going feature was a wise engineering choice in a "trail ready" vehicle. Especially for a feature with little use off road.

i think the last Jeep with a stitch of war vehicle DNA in its design rolled off the production line in 1986.

 

[Dqban]

i think the last Jeep with a stitch of war vehicle DNA in its design rolled off the production line in 1986.

Though that may be true, I like to think (hope) they are still building/designing off road vehicles that are legal to drive on the pavement.....Im sure that concept has become a little diluted with each generation.

 

[Renegade]

Though that may be true, I like to think (hope) they are still building/designing off road vehicles that are legal to drive on the pavement.....Im sure that concept has become a little diluted with each generation.

Every generation of CJ/Wrangler has been more capable off road than the previous. Hopefully that will continue.

 

[eaglerugby04]

the call for saftey is bigger than the call for ( in you opinion) offroad ready tail lights. The answer is to be careful.

or if you'd like to design a better pair of tail lights that fit the opening, the sensor, and conform to all government regulations ( not just North America) and then mass produce them for free im sure Jeep is listening.

Thats what I am getting at Oracle did this in less than a year for less than FCA charges for theirs.

They keep so many things on the jeep in the past design wise I am sure people are not clamoring for technology on these things the way they are on other vehicles. I like the Jeep but less face it, its about as aerodynamic as a brick, has that windshield that will break if you look at it wrong, and leaves some seating room to be desired. Its all things that come with the design. Advanced driving sensors (that are really expensive) really don't seem like a priority item to limit off road ability based on.

 

[FLUndertaker]

Every generation of CJ/Wrangler has been more capable off road than the previous. Hopefully that will continue.

until it breaks down. All the technology comes with a down side when things go sideways. There isn’t much on my CJ that could fail off-road that I couldnt repair with zip ties, wire or a handful of easily sourced spare parts. I can’t say the same about my JT.

 

[RobbertCole]

Jeep wrangler/gladiators are unique in that they are techinically off road vehicles first by design that have been given on road friendly features. Jeeps were initially vehicles of war. Given that fact....the design goals should cater to off road needs primarily and optional road friendly features (like sensors) should be designed around the off road philosophy of this vihicle...not the other way around.

Good engineering is about smart compromises. im not sure compromising trail worthyness with a protruding tail light for an optional road going feature was a wise engineering choice in a "trail ready" vehicle. Especially for a feature with little use off road.

yeah, no im really sorry but theyre big selling road vehicles now, and they need to be safe first.

youre wrong.

 

[RobbertCole]

Thats what I am getting at Oracle did this in less than a year for less than FCA charges for theirs.

They keep so many things on the jeep in the past design wise I am sure people are not clamoring for technology on these things the way they are on other vehicles. I like the Jeep but less face it, its about as aerodynamic as a brick, has that windshield that will break if you look at it wrong, and leaves some seating room to be desired. Its all things that come with the design. Advanced driving sensors (that are really expensive) really don't seem like a priority item to limit off road ability based on.

my god, you are something else lol.

Is oracle making them for jeep? or is oracle their own company?

Oh that's right. Oracle is their own company that doesnt have to design for the masses or for the same saftey standards that Jeep does. oracle is an aftermarket company not being reined in by penny pinching CFOs that want parts to fit as many of the line up as they can.

you cannot be this dense. I refuse to believe it.

 

[eaglerugby04]

yeah, no im really sorry but theyre big selling road vehicles now, and they need to be safe first.

youre wrong.

The easier way to deal with blindspots would be to put real mirrors on these things instead of $1600 worth of sensors, lol. With properly adjusted mirrors most vehicles don't have blindspots. Some people are obsessed at staring at the side of their vehicle instead of the lanes next to them though....

 

[MrFahrenheit]

The easier way to deal with blindspots would be to put real mirrors on these things instead of $1600 worth of sensors, lol. With properly adjusted mirrors most vehicles don't have blindspots. Some people are obsessed at staring at the side of their vehicle instead of the lanes next to them though....

You're assuming people even use their mirrors. I'll take a nanny feature that is going to beep at someone when they put their turn signal on to change lanes and I'm right next to them.

Oh crap... now I'm the one dreaming... I think people use turn signals... ?

 

[eaglerugby04]

You're assuming people even use their mirrors. I'll take a nanny feature that is going to beep at someone when they put their turn signal on to change lanes and I'm right next to them.

Oh crap... now I'm the one dreaming... I think people use turn signals... ?

A turn signal on a lane change? What is this mystical thing you speak of?

So true though. Most cars I see have them adjusted so they can't actually be used for anything

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