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[NachoRuby]

Lmao, I remember when I was the only one who couldn't stand the fob, how's mythreedom business going these days? How many of you jumped on board and ordered up new fobs? Sellouts. Anyhow...And buddy says there's only 2 of us that disagree with thin air link to starting/stopping our vehicles? ya ok bud, believe whatever you want, not everyone wants to post the obvious, first guys through the wall usually get bloody but also have thick skin so what is it...bitter you don't think of these straight forward common sense things yourselves? Lots of perfectly good vehicles out there to slap this crap on for the comfort addicted masses but for those that don't say bah bah there are perfectly good vehicles to gear towards us too. The jeeps would be about the perfect place to start, and especially the lower trim levels for those of us who want minimal tech, minimal connection to someone else's airwaves or computers etc. The sheep get mad not at what it is the wolves discuss or do but that the wolves simply don't fall in line and conform.

You might not be the only that wants to do it. I think there are probably a few of you. The problem is that it seems nigh impossible, and for most of us, it's just not worth the effort just to "lose" functionality. If it's worth it for you, and it seems like it is, go for it. Most just don't want to spend time/money to get rid of something that is an added functionality, at least in our eyes. That it's extremely difficult to do the right way with the canbus system isn't helping. I paid extra for proximity locks, too, so I definitely want no part in getting rid of it completely. I've had proximity and keyless since 2014, and I don't want to go back.

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[ShadowsPapa]

The interesting part is that even REAL engineers, I don't mean arm-chair web-based experts, I mean someone who has written the code, helped design the systems, those who know these inside and out (as much as any individual can) has explained why it's not going to happen and still no one can accept that.
A doctor, no, a team of the best doctors on earth have said the body can't be saved but no one will accept it because they want it so bad they refused to believe.
Even when insiders who know how these were designed and how they work speak, it's not enough.

 

[Jt-wrx]

Well the beauty of humanity is we are vastly more creative than just the hired engineers at fca. We are ‘necessity is the mother of all invention’. I wouldn’t count us out from finding a work around. I’m into other fish so it’s too far down my list but people with time and desire will figure it out, we always do.

 

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[Gobi Wan K]

I have read through all of this. I will offer this example. Countless people have asked Zauto to disable the "auto park" feature. Zauto has looked at it and has said it can't be done. This is someone with extensive knowledge of the software system in these vehicles and the money and time to get it done. If they can't disable this simple feature then a few folks on a Jeep forum are not going to eliminate the proximity start system.

Can it be done, sure can. By the people with direct access to the system integration and programming language. (Read Jeep, FCA, Stellantis or whoever they are today)

Alternately you can rip out the whole electrical system and start from scratch. As has been mentioned.

 

[TwelveGaugeSage]

I'm trying, but for the life of me I just can't understand this gripe. I went from a TJ with manual everything to a JT with proximity locks. I have zero desire to go back. Yeah, the brick is stupid large and tends to switchblade in the pocket, but I usually don't notice until I go to take it out of my pocket.

My TJ had a finicky ignition due to the weight of keys hanging in it over the years. If the key wasn't just right, the radio turned off. The key would also come out of the ignition with the vehicle running. I was driving home from work one day with the doors off. A truck came flying into my lane and I had to swerve over a curb to avoid collision. It was a pretty good jolt from a large curb. I didn't realize it until I got home that my keys weren't in the ignition. Not only that, they weren't in the Jeep. I had to go back to the location and look for them. PITA.

Now I just leave the fob in my pocket all the time. Lock the doors with the button on the handle. I have zero desire to go back.

 

[ImThe0ne]

Lmao, I remember when I was the only one who couldn't stand the fob, how's mythreedom business going these days? How many of you jumped on board and ordered up new fobs? Sellouts. Anyhow...And buddy says there's only 2 of us that disagree with thin air link to starting/stopping our vehicles? ya ok bud, believe whatever you want, not everyone wants to post the obvious, first guys through the wall usually get bloody but also have thick skin so what is it...bitter you don't think of these straight forward common sense things yourselves? Lots of perfectly good vehicles out there to slap this crap on for the comfort addicted masses but for those that don't say bah bah there are perfectly good vehicles to gear towards us too. The jeeps would be about the perfect place to start, and especially the lower trim levels for those of us who want minimal tech, minimal connection to someone else's airwaves or computers etc. The sheep get mad not at what it is the wolves discuss or do but that the wolves simply don't fall in line and conform.

I never saw a big argument over the fob cases and if people thought it was dumb, so if it happened ok, but I think comparing people using a $50 fob encasement to tens of thousands of dollars of work is a mighty large stretch.
Secondly, I can’t for the life of me understand how people like yourself always find a way to turn everything in to claiming that everyone else are sheep and yourselves are wolves or “innovators”. You’re not innovating anything by wanting to roll back to 1990s era or older technology. Feel free to go spend all this time, sweat and money if it keeps that fragile ego of yours in check, but attempting to insult others while promoting yourself as some freedom saint away from big brother isn’t going to magically get any other takers on board here.

 

[Jt-wrx]

yup all the same arguments...'1st world problems' 'if this is your biggest complaint' same Debbie downers hacking on those who brought the topic up....and as I said, how's mythreedom's business doing now? lmfao

this may be a smaller crowd that wish to work around some of the ill-fitting tech to a solid axle 4x4 freedom machine that still comes with a manual transmission but the theme is the same, there is a certain portion of population that wants less tech, more robust and simple machines, our comfort tech addicted life is overloaded with this crap....anyway, putting it on a jeep jeep was silly, not wrong about the stupid fob, not wrong about air link keys, not wrong about not wanting anyone else to have connectivity to the machine you paid for and are 100% liable for...but the sheep get offended by the people who think like this, they are conditioned to attack non-conformers, they can't help it, and try to negative Nancy them to death...most of the 15 pages here

kudos to those who've tried to offer ideas and solutions to the op

as a lesson to manufacturers if any pay attention to 40,000' views of things people talk about on these forums, like this and related threads, and fob threads....there's a portion that want very basic and simple, that would be a lot easier to manufacture, cost less, and if you build it they will come, see what happens if a manufacturer takes this to heart and tries to build basic bombproof machines with prices to match....what them fly off the shelves, the jeep is the most build project vehicle going, if they offered a stripped down model barely any computers, basic stripped down systems, and got the price to reflect they'd move way more than they think, I'm talking power steering and power brakes, no auto, no rev hang on the manual(my biggest pet peeve with the manual) as two of the biggest luxuries, ditch all the tech, nannies, don't worry keep your loaded up tech models for the sheep so they feel safe but watch what happens if you offered something super stripped down, no nannies, no connectivity, sometimes I think it's painful having the ability to see the future there's a portion that want less not more...and many just can't seem to wrap their heads around that...go find different threads to hack on

 

[NachoRuby]

I'm talking power steering and power brakes, no auto, no rev hang on the manual(my biggest pet peeve with the manual)

The rev hang is for emissions control. All manuals have it nowadays.

 

[Jt-wrx]

I'm trying, but for the life of me I just can't understand this gripe. I went from a TJ with manual everything to a JT with proximity locks. I have zero desire to go back. Yeah, the brick is stupid large and tends to switchblade in the pocket, but I usually don't notice until I go to take it out of my pocket.

My TJ had a finicky ignition due to the weight of keys hanging in it over the years. If the key wasn't just right, the radio turned off. The key would also come out of the ignition with the vehicle running. I was driving home from work one day with the doors off. A truck came flying into my lane and I had to swerve over a curb to avoid collision. It was a pretty good jolt from a large curb. I didn't realize it until I got home that my keys weren't in the ignition. Not only that, they weren't in the Jeep. I had to go back to the location and look for them. PITA.

Now I just leave the fob in my pocket all the time. Lock the doors with the button on the handle. I have zero desire to go back.

perfect example right here...another comfort addicted soul who 'for the life of him' can't figure out why anyone would dare want something different than him...good lord

so these threads are not for you, are people starting to catch on yet? there's a group of people and anyone can choose to want different things at different times in life...freedom is wonderful isn't it? to have choices and options? well....there are people who want incredibly basic machines and removes as much tech and nanny as possible, and they want that for a variety of reasons...all valid because it's what they want....just like what you want now is essentially a car that drives itself so you can play with yourself lol....you're free to want that...anyone hacking on you for that?

so....most of the 15 pages of this thread full of sheep that because they don't understand the desire feel they must attack and help conform the non-sheep back into the herd for comfort...lol, move along, these threads aren't for you....bah bah

 

[WILDHOBO]

yup all the same arguments...'1st world problems' 'if this is your biggest complaint' same Debbie downers hacking on those who brought the topic up....and as I said, how's mythreedom's business doing now? lmfao

this may be a smaller crowd that wish to work around some of the ill-fitting tech to a solid axle 4x4 freedom machine that still comes with a manual transmission but the theme is the same, there is a certain portion of population that wants less tech, more robust and simple machines, our comfort tech addicted life is overloaded with this crap....anyway, putting it on a jeep jeep was silly, not wrong about the stupid fob, not wrong about air link keys, not wrong about not wanting anyone else to have connectivity to the machine you paid for and are 100% liable for...but the sheep get offended by the people who think like this, they are conditioned to attack non-conformers, they can't help it, and try to negative Nancy them to death...most of the 15 pages here

kudos to those who've tried to offer ideas and solutions to the op

as a lesson to manufacturers if any pay attention to 40,000' views of things people talk about on these forums, like this and related threads, and fob threads....there's a portion that want very basic and simple, that would be a lot easier to manufacture, cost less, and if you build it they will come, see what happens if a manufacturer takes this to heart and tries to build basic bombproof machines with prices to match....what them fly off the shelves, the jeep is the most build project vehicle going, if they offered a stripped down model barely any computers, basic stripped down systems, and got the price to reflect they'd move way more than they think, I'm talking power steering and power brakes, no auto, no rev hang on the manual(my biggest pet peeve with the manual) as two of the biggest luxuries, ditch all the tech, nannies, don't worry keep your loaded up tech models for the sheep so they feel safe but watch what happens if you offered something super stripped down, no nannies, no connectivity, sometimes I think it's painful having the ability to see the future there's a portion that want less not more...and many just can't seem to wrap their heads around that...go find different threads to hack on

Wow. You truly think this will ever happen? See the future? I see your future with high doses of anti psychotics. And you keep mentioning the mythreedom fobs as if it makes an ounce of sense. They do nothing but repackage what you claim to hate. The fobs function identicallly, just with a slightly smaller package, and not key flip. Crawl back into your troll cave. You’re not offering up ideas. You’re just calling people sheep. You call yourself a wolf, but the sheep, as you refer to them, seem to keep eluding you. Good luck on your next 5 page rant. Hope it makes you feel better.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

as a lesson to manufacturers if any pay attention to 40,000' views of things people talk about on these forums, like this and related threads, and fob threads....

You think views means interest or desire to see it done? Really? Views is likely mostly those who were initially curious, and then end up coming back for the entertainment.
1,000 people slow down to look at an accident, but only 2 of them are interested in actually helping.

The rev hang is for emissions control. All manuals have it nowadays.

Yes, but you can leave off the "nowadays" part as 1994 had it as well. When I let up the throttle and push in the clutch on my 4.0 powered SX4, the RPMs stay up and slowly drop until either xx time has passed or the vehicle comes to a stop.
It's another thing I don't understand the hate for. So what? So what if the RPM ramps down instead of dropping.
..........probably still using a land line, watching a tube-type TV sitting on a stand connected to rabbit ears.

Frankly, the efforts made by the auto makers are one reason you can walk outside in LA without a gas mask. And people are pissed about rev hang?

 

[Jt-wrx]

The rev hang is for emissions control. All manuals have it nowadays.

holy crap, haven't seen me post before? you suggesting I don't know anything about rev hang? good lord man, know all about it, please see my last couple posts and see if you can pick up on the points being made here and why these threads exist, there are people who don't want nannies, airbags, air link keys, traction control, abs, giant fuse boxes full of shat, computers for computers, connectivity....some just want a robust 4wd with a battery, motor, power steering and brakes and a steering wheel....will we get it? not likely...but it's what we want, carry on bash some other thread

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The fobs function identicallly, just with a slightly smaller package, and not key flip.

This actually took 2 seconds compared to a screw driver and a few minutes...........problem (perceived as it is sometimes, solved) ->

I don't have ANY fob in my pocket, and if I need to unlock the tailgate to load things and not walk around and touch a front door handle, I simply reach down and press the top right button (as it hangs on the belt or loop). No fumbling, no reaching in pocket, no key flipping out and if I need to give the fob to someone at valet parking like at the hospital or clinic, I could lock it in the holster meaning they can't use the key to get to anything.
(oh, by the way, Chevy has the same thing, push button, key swings out, fob is a bit smaller, but there's that button for the key)
No fob in my pocket, big or small. No reaching into a pocket to press the correct button to lock or unlock anything, key is there, handy, but not swinging out, and with no fob in my pocket, nothing can press against the "panic button".

 

[NachoRuby]

holy crap, haven't seen me post before? you suggesting I don't know anything about rev hang?

...but it's what we want, carry on bash some other thread

Wow. I'm just pointing out that rev hang isn't going away. It's there because it needs to be to meet EPA stipulations. I said nothing rude, and I won't here. I never do, to anyone on here. I'm sorry if you see my perfectly civil comment as bashing the thread.

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