Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[Vtur]

I thought it was weird that OP was ready to devote his life to figuring out how to do it but seemingly hadn't bothered to read anything on modern CAN bus systems, electrical wiring, ECU coding, etc prior to making this thread. I think he was ready to be morale support for somebody that knows about electrical vehicular systems to do the leg work?

This ?? ahaha

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[AnnDee4444]

I'm not going to read all 13 pages, but thought I might have something useful: The 2008ish Acura TL (and probably others) has a keyed ignition, where when you get to the spring-return area of the switch it works exactly as if you just pushed the button. The cranking time is not dictated by the length of time you hold the key in the start position. You can just barely click it, or hold it for 5 seconds and the car will start exactly the same.

I would look at older Jeeps/FCA products to see if something similar exists. You will probably have to make an adapter bezel and your own harness.


And now for the stupid response... maybe you can hook up a keyed ignition to a relocated factory button, via SwitchBot:

 

[jbmdux]

Yeah I imagine the reason manual lock jeeps still come with the proximity fob to start it, is simply because it is cheaper for jeep to keep the proximity start than not.

I get thats where everything has gone. Even the cheapest new car I believe comes with proximity start.

Not trying to be a luddite but I just find the key fob extremely stupid and cumbersome as well as just another potential thing that can go wrong when in the middle of nowhere. It makes no sense with manual locks.

I wouldn't even want it if I had electronic locks.

I would literally prefer any other solution that doesn't require the fob.

I am done with the fob.

Appreciate the response though. Thanks for the convo. I'm probably on an island of one here.

does the part of the fob that lets the ignition system work, depend on the fob having power? I know my 2003 Silverado had a chip in the key that was required for the truck to start, but there was no power to the key, it was like a card scanner security system to a building, the detector issues a weak signal and the reflection coming back from the card (or the key) acknowledges communication and initiates an action.

I am not sure what damage could be done to the fob to make it so the truck will not start. conceivably, you buy an extra fob, find that part and leave it in the truck.

 

[NachoRuby]

does the part of the fob that lets the ignition system work, depend on the fob having power? I know my 2003 Silverado had a chip in the key that was required for the truck to start, but there was no power to the key, it was like a card scanner security system to a building, the detector issues a weak signal and the reflection coming back from the card (or the key) acknowledges communication and initiates an action.

I am not sure what damage could be done to the fob to make it so the truck will not start. conceivably, you buy an extra fob, find that part and leave it in the truck.

It does work with no power, but he doesn't want the chip in the truck at all, so no dice. That's the easy way though.

 

[salvino]

This has been brought up before. Not sure if any solutions came about.

Found this thread (edited had wrong link before) https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...rfid-brick-has-to-go.26072/page-7#post-461260

But it seemed to turn into just a debate on push button start. I don't know if a solution came about, I'll admit I didnt read through 30+ pages of what seemed like push button start debate.

At the risk of starting such again... though I would really prefer it didn't go there... has anybody successfully removed their proximity push start for any other solution no matter how stupid it may seem?

Call me the unibomber if you like but this "tech" is extremely frustrating to me.

I would much prefer to rid my jeep of the proximity push to start button.

Just to add... there are no stupid ideas to me here, even if you suggest replacing it with a light switch... I want to hear it if you can tell me how. Also, not a lease and I will NEVER sell it.

This jeep is mine and this is about making it such. After a year of ownership and killing the AutoStartStop this is the one thing that continues to annoy me.

So... thoughts? Beyond "I like push button start."

Thanks. Love you all.

ETA: I have manual locks and dont care if I end up with 2 keys.

Someday i’ll have enough free time to worry about such things. Something to look forward to.

 

[jbmdux]

I honestly hated the idea of push to start being the only option as well. But being old school it bothered me that there was not a 'backup' method (key) to start the vehicle in case the fob battery died. Then, however, I was informed that the fob may die, but the chip is not powered by the same batteries as the fob, and thus it 'never' dies. I even passed up on ordering the proximity option when ordering my max tow - now though that I have the Rubi with proximity....its actually quite handy. Just wish it would also open rear doors not just the drivers. My enjoyment of it just means I'm being lazier the older I get hahaha

however, being lazy and only reading page 1 and 12, I will say there is one, and really only one, situation where I am not a fan of the fob. Not quite sure if this is actually true or not but I was informed that if the fob got soaked (as in fell in a river or something) that it probably would not work. For "Jeep people" (typically associated with being outside, exploring, camping, etc) this could present a problem. I dont know if this is really true, and I plan to not find out by putting my fob in a ziplock bag whenever I'm in a situation where it could get wet. Just to be safe. Like others said anymore these days anything can be stolen and crime is on the rise... its lame. but a key ignition isn't any easier or harder to steel than our Glad's

the push to start does not require the fob battery to be charged.

 

[Jt-wrx]

12 pages deep. This is what modern “jeepers” talk about? Congrats yall have successfully destroyed the brand.

trade 'yall' with 'fca' and you'd be more accurate , as 'real jeeps' wouldn't have this horse shat to begin with

 

[AnnDee4444]

If we're going to gate-keep what a "Real Jeep" is, you might as well start at the beginning.

The 1941 Willy’s MB had a push button start, literally. To start the Jeep, you had to push a button on the floor. There were no keys. ​

 

[WILDHOBO]

If we're going to gate-keep what a "Real Jeep" is, you might as well start at the beginning.

The 1941 Willy’s MB had a push button start, literally. To start the Jeep, you had to push a button on the floor. There were no keys. ​

Nothing better than when facts turn people’s dumb comments against them. Love it.

 

[XraytecH]

Not this again

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Frankly, I like the TIP start. I get in, foot on brake, touch the button and then proceed to put on my seatbelt while the thing is cranking and starting. It's almost a hands-off start process.
Foot on brake, just touch the button and let go.
My wife used to curse the Chevy with the key - she's got a handicap that prevents her from easily holding a key in her right hand and getting it into the lock and turning it.
So for her the button is a blessing.
Either that or I was going to try to find a way to move the ignition lock/switch over to the left side of the column. Why the hell car makers put the damned key on the right side is beyond me.
And I hate that silly dimmer switch on the turn signal switch lever. What's up with that.
The floor dimmer wasn't good enough?

 

[AnnDee4444]

And I hate that silly dimmer switch on the turn signal switch lever. What's up with that.
The floor dimmer wasn't good enough?

If you drive a manual your feet get really busy with the floor-mounted dimmer switch. Heal-toe on the clutch and dimmer is a skill most haven't developed.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you drive a manual your feet get really busy with the floor-mounted dimmer switch. Heal-toe on the clutch and dimmer is a skill most haven't developed.

I know, all of my first cars were that way, my Javelins all had floor dimmers, several of my cars have had floor dimmers and a stick. Same for my AMXs and Gremlin among other vehicles. My 67 Chevy truck was 4 speed stick with floor dimmer.
My Eagle is the first car I've had with column mount dimmer. And it was a pain in the butt when it had to be changed so I switched my headlights over to use relays, taking all of that current flow out of the cabin.

 

[Rusty PW]

If you drive a manual your feet get really busy with the floor-mounted dimmer switch. Heal-toe on the clutch and dimmer is a skill most haven't developed.

My '70 340 Duster had a foot pump on the floor for the washer fluid.

 

[kb5zcr]

To the OP,
I haven't read all pages of this post but how about this as an idea?

Take the push button switch, activate the same wires with a relay/relays, that are powered when your new "keyed ignition switch" is turned.

Or, if the push button start actually sends some kind of CANBUS code down the line where the above relay idea won't work, use some type of relay that drives a mechanical plunger (like a doorbell ringer) that can physically push the start button. All this can be hidden under the dash somewhere, while your new keyed switch sits in the dash where the push button used to be.

If all this has been mentioned in the previous post, I apologize for wasting anyone's time.

Thanks,

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