Any reason to avoid Manual Transmission?

[jimbom]

a 4:1 transfer case really helps and with such low gears lets the truck walk up and down stuff at idle giving you plenty of time to watch your lines.

If you plan to rock crawl get a auto, if you are doing basic trails have fun with the 6 speed.

The manual's lower first gear gives you an even better crawl ratio. In that gear, there is no feathering. You have to try very hard to stall it in 4L/1st gear and if you manage to do so, you can restart and get rolling with the starter without even touching the clutch.

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[rharr]

The manual will have a slightly better 1st gear ratio of 5.13 to the RE850 8sp of 4.71, (1mph on trail) which isn't much of a difference. With the newer 8 and 10 speed autos there is now a gear for anything.

I have been in situations where what you are talking about would not have worked cause if I kept going a tire would have dropped in a hole and rolled the jeep. My point is there are times when you have to stop and reposition your wheels or you will roll the truck. Those are the times a clutch sucks.

 

[Terminus33]

The automatic has the benefit of left foot breaking to a complete stop and restarting again for a poor mans locker. Sure you can left foot brake or trail brake with a manual but its very difficult to do so coming to a stop without stalling as your foot is on the brake and not the clutch.

 

[jimbom]

The manual will have a slightly better 1st gear ratio of 5.13 to the RE850 8sp of 4.71, (1mph on trail) which isn't much of a difference. With the newer 8 and 10 speed autos there is now a gear for anything.

I have been in situations where what you are talking about would not have worked cause if I kept going a tire would have dropped in a hole and rolled the jeep. My point is there are times when you have to stop and reposition your wheels or you will roll the truck. Those are the times a clutch sucks.

The difference is you can IDLE up pretty steep inclines and over moderate obstacles feet flat on the floor. No slippy torque converter that forces you to rev over stuff. I had essentially the same automatic in my Ram and it SUCKED for crawling, even with the hemi. Rev, rev, rev to get over things then bounce and stomp on the brakes to keep from slamming into the next rock. Hated it and couldn't wait to get back to a manual with some semblance of control.

In 1st/4L the clutch is basically an on/off switch -- no clutch skills required. You can pop it without worry of stalling unless maybe you're up against a boulder.

 

[Bbannongmu]

Can you push start your automatic if the battery dies? Nope. Not saying it would be easy BUT I can do it. Also - driving the 6MT keeps me involved. I can't eat, play with my phone etc. I have to drive. Those are good enough for me. My kids will learn to drive stick too. When they buy their own cars they can do whatever they want but if I'm supplying the vehicle it will be a manual. Finally - with a 6MT you get to have this which just makes me smile:

Pretty easy to pop start

 

[syreeves]

Pretty easy to pop start

Right - I mean pushing a JT on flat level ground up to starting speed is a bit harder than my old 1983 VW GTI... ?

 

[Rubi_Rhod]

Pop starting is fun. I’ll park on a hill just to do it.

But the manual disadvantages of less towing and less MPGs are about the only downsides to getting one. The clutch does take a bit of time to get used to. So far everyone who I passed the keys on to stalls it and smokes it their first time. The dual clutch is different. But it’s good. I’m smitten with the stick. It’s so much fun.

 

[Rubi_Rhod]

Also, on the manual, I might be in the minority, but the ASS is nifty as well. I do have a tazer so usually its off. But when I got the top back and AC off, I’ll turn it on. It’s pretty seamless on the restart as it only kicks in on the clutch depress, so you can let off the brakes and just coast in neutral with the engine off. On autos you cant just let off the brake or it kicks it on and off. But in traffic with the stick i can just close the gap and it doesn’t interrupt. It feels way smarter on a stick and open air jeep as I’ve generally not been a fan.

 

[Greatiator]

Can’t tow more than 4500lbs

 

[LostWoods]

Simply put in this day and age auto's are better than manuals in every way.

There is no quantifiable reason to "want" a manual.

Hard truth for most people... this is my first truck without three pedals and honestly, I don't miss it the 8AT is just so good. It's objectively better in every way other than engine braking which I really only miss while towing... it's not really a problem for me on trail.

If you love rowing gears (and believe me, I get it) then by all means get a manual, but there's so little objective reason to get one anymore and that's why only Jeep and Toyota even offer them. I will be genuinely surprised if Toyota even continues to offer it for the 4th gen Tacoma given you have to get one of three specific builds (not even trims) to get one now.

 

[Josh00333]

Yes and it has quick shift, so I only use the clutch from stop to 1st and once stopped.

From a bike stand point, there is no automatic for the sport bike market as of yet. Once there is one we would have to look at what is best. There are some out there for the larger touring bikes, I think gold wing has one? I don't know much on those.

interesting quote, you have a motorbike in your avatar, is it an auto? here your avatar shows a passion machine that is useless for moving anything other than yourself, requires all four hands/feet to operate and you're dismissing the desires and passions you have for two wheeled experience for those with four wheels? interesting viewpoint, but a wrong one lol, i sold my motorbike once i was able to engage with 4 wheels like i enjoyed with 2 wheels, and since i rode v-twin i used the money from the bike to put a better soundtrack (equally important to me) in the jeep and there's a couple thousand watts and some subs under backseat, as the magnaflow exhaust is pretty good....not quite as good as a v-twin but now with exhaust and stereo that i can hear with t-roofs off...par....and now i'm only insuring and parking one machine and my smiles per mile are just as maxed if not more, and being canadian only could use the motorbike for but mere hours per year in comparison to this manual jeep unicorn freedom machine which i get to drive every day and take everyone and everything with me...so my annual smiles per miles are in another league compared to what motorbike gave me

so there's that...never discount a manual transmission again Sir...you just plum got that one wrong, and your hypocrisy in your statement was instant having that motorbike right there in your avatar beside your words

 

[kd1yt]

Don't like it, don't get it. Like it, get it. I like it, and so I have it. Glad I had the choice.

 

[Jt-wrx]

me too, if going automatic the half ton trucks are the smartest choice, they are bread and butter for manufacturers so get the most engineering, most r&d, it goes on and on, if gotta have the jeep truck then take your pic, lots on paper to like about the auto, the manual benefits don't really translate on paper...i'd choose manual transmission every time regardless of vehicle because i love to drive, a journey person not a destination person, destination people usually prefer plane than road trip...

the honda africa twin has an auto dual clutch transmission but it was obvious your bike wasn't that...and quick shifter never had one, i didn't use my clutch much on quite a few bikes once rolling but overall that's not the majority of time, so 100% of time 3 hands/feet in play and maybe 20% one can get lazy with the left hand...it's a ton more input and 'driving' required than any vehicle on 4 wheels with an automatic transmission and smart cruise control

the biggest issue is when someone says there's no reason to go this way or that way....well that's a slippery slope view point, people seem to take it further and suggest there should be another option...therefore saying whats good for them is good for everyone else...meaning 'wants and desires' don't matter....well yes they do, in every instance that view can be reversed on the imposer, choices and freedoms are a good thing and some stick up for them even though they may never choose to drive manual or whatever the subject be about, if our goal is to remove humanity and become robots all the same then we can carry on down this singular path lol

 

[Deleted member 39643]

Avoid the manual, it has a tendency to explode around 30k. There have been multiple lawsuits and recalls to no avail. If you have one sell soon while it is worth something. Mine has been at the dealership for 4 months with no repair.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Avoid the manual, it has a tendency to explode around 30k. There have been multiple lawsuits and recalls to no avail. If you have one sell soon while it is worth something. Mine has been at the dealership for 4 months with no repair.

All related to the clutch, not the transmission itself.
The 2nd recall modified engine torque when the clutch reached a dangerous temperature.
There are no issues related to the transmission itself - just the clutch.
Some have resolved that by putting in 3rd party clutches.

The judge is giving the plaintiffs another shot at proving there are still problems but if they can't prove the recall didn't fix the issues, he's dismissing their cases.

So it would seem that from everything I've ever found - once the recalls are performed, the clutches don't explode. I find nothing showing that after the recalls are actually performed there are still fire or blown clutch issues.

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