cold air intake

[ShadowsPapa]

Ya'll are silly.... I'm adding one of these....


https://www.oreillyauto.com/flux-capacitor

I installed one and then followed O'Reilly's advice -
>>

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I made that call, and...
Crap, now I have the FBI pulling into my driveway. What's that sniper doing on the neighbor's deck?

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[DocMike]

I took mine from a group of Libyans ....they wanted a bomb and I gave them a box of used pinball parts.
If you can see the sniper....he's not good at his job.

I installed one and then followed O'Reilly's advice -
>>

• Plutonium not available at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Please contact your local plutonium supplier.<<

I made that call, and...
Crap, now I have the FBI pulling into my driveway. What's that sniper doing on the neighbor's deck?

 

[MrZappo]

For those that buy these trucks and mod it “for looks” (not practicality or “need”) is because the design of it from the factory isn’t “proper”.

The jeep needs BIGGER tires to look right.

The jeep NEEDS a CAI to sound right (under load). There’s nothing like a gladiator with larger than 33” with a strong “induction” sound. There is an appeal to it.

If you’re wanting higher mpg, look at installing a “hydrogen on demand” unit after warranty expires - $900 to over $4000 (35-80% increase in mpg) I’m tempted but others here know what my lucks been like…

I would seriously consider this company.
https://aquatuneinternational.com/

You would be better off installing a home brew fart catcher with copper tubing running from the driver seat to the throttle bodies.

Hydrogen on demand. Laughable.

If any of these things worked the world would change overnight.

Hydrogen on demand, water injection, methane on demand. Wtf.

If you're want 100mpg, have a helicopter drop your truck on top of a mountain and you can roll down. This is called GIS or gravity injection system. Very efficient but you need to own a helicopter. Factor in the cost of JET A as well. But it could work. Studies have shown.

 

[Gren71]

You would be better off installing a home brew fart catcher with copper tubing running from the driver seat to the throttle bodies.

Hydrogen on demand. Laughable.

If any of these things worked the world would change overnight.

Hydrogen on demand, water injection, methane on demand. Wtf.

If you're want 100mpg, have a helicopter drop your truck on top of a mountain and you can roll down. This is called GIS or gravity injection system. Very efficient but you need to own a helicopter. Factor in the cost of JET A as well. But it could work. Studies have shown.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/fart-powered-vw-beetle-tested-in-uk/

My god its real

 

[ShadowsPapa]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/fart-powered-vw-beetle-tested-in-uk/

My god its real

Methane from waste has been burned to heat homes and do other nifty stuff - so it's no surprise that someone captured a more pure form to power a car.
In our area there's a tall skinny tower, more like a pipe, with a flame at the top. Yup, it's right next to the Des Moines east side poo-poo plant. We've always commented - what a waste (LOL, almost a pun) letting all that waste go up in flame like that - why not capture it?
But I've been reading that some places have extracted methane from landfills, waste disposal sites and other sources to heat homes and even generate power.

So, get your butt to work, go drink some beer, generate more power!

 

[DocMike]

Wasn't this a South Park episode?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/fart-powered-vw-beetle-tested-in-uk/

My god its real

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you can see the sniper....he's not good at his job.

I did mention it was the FBI, didn't I?
Oooo, don't go there, I'll join the ranks of the banned. LOL
(I've had personal interaction with 'em twice and have little faith)

 

[dcmdon]

I just stumbled on this thread and agree with everyone's comments regarding the fact that this is a con game.

Especially correct is ShadowPapa's explanation of the law of conservation of energy.

But - and this is a big butt.

If this was implemented in a very sophisticated way (not possible with this kind of add on) it really could get something for nothing.

If it only turned on when you lifted off the gas and were attempting to slow down, the system would increase the alternator's drag on the engine as it electrolyzed water. This would in essence act like the regeneration feature in an EV.

When you want to decelerate, all that kinetic energy is unwanted. your brakes turn that energy into heat. But if you could turn it into hydrogen, you would actually be converting that kinetic energy via an electrolysis system rather than turning it into heat with a brake system. (energy is neither destroyed nor created. In one case KE is turned into chemical energy and in another it's turned into heat).

 

[Dick]

If you increase airflow, the ECM will change injector trim to increase fuel. I won't trigger anyone by coming out and saying it, but, more air+more fuel=

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah, like tell the guy who puts a 4bbl on his I6 why he isn't getting any more power. Gee, I'm running more air and fuel in - what's up?
On the 3.6, you have the intake manifold and throttle body to deal with, the exhaust system, the flow of the heads/valves.
I have a feeling they've pretty much maxed out what a NA 3.6 can do already.
This isn't 1980.
It's a tuned system, air box to tip of exhaust pipe.
Can't shove more in if it's not going to pull in any more. At low lift, which is under 3,000 RPM, you aren't even taking in a fraction of what can flow into the stock system. The valves aren't opening as far and as Jeep says - that's to reduce pumping losses at cruise speeds. And that says - you aren't going to fill the cylinders any more because the valves don't open as wide, which reduces dynamic compression as well.
Even at WOT, you have the intake and throttle body to consider and this small displacement engine isn't going to run much better than 110% pumping efficiency at its best. I've got almost double the displacement in a car and the air filter area is no bigger, and the whole air system on a 3.6 likely can flow as much as I can shove through my carburetors.
Sticking a huge filter with more surface area and a bigger pipe up to the throttle body isn't going to help things.
That's the cheap part of the whole system and it's crazy to think that Jeep would have restricted the intake air in any way while trying to max out payload and towing numbers.
Hooking your 1/2" garden hose up to a faucet fed by a 1" pipe isn't going to get more out the other end.
Unless you drive these things at 5,000 RPM a lot, heavy load, you aren't going to be pulling in any more air even if you pull the air box and tube clear off.
And of course, there's the other end - if you COULD get more air in, and burn more fuel - that= more BTUs of heat output from the engine. Hope your cooling system can handle that.
I had to go larger fan and radiator with a car because I opened things up and burn more fuel and it couldn't keep up after that.

Back to - these CAIs are a joke. It's like putting a big hood scoop on a Mustang running a little Ford I6 with a 1bbl carb. It's already taking in all it can.

 

[Dick]

Yeah, like tell the guy who puts a 4bbl on his I6 why he isn't getting any more power. Gee, I'm running more air and fuel in - what's up?
On the 3.6, you have the intake manifold and throttle body to deal with, the exhaust system, the flow of the heads/valves.
I have a feeling they've pretty much maxed out what a NA 3.6 can do already.
This isn't 1980.
It's a tuned system, air box to tip of exhaust pipe.
Can't shove more in if it's not needing more. At low lift, which is under 3,000 RPM, you aren't even taking in a fraction of what can flow into the stock system.
Even at WOT, you have the intake and throttle body to consider and this small displacement engine isn't going to run much better than 110% pumping efficiency at its best. I've got almost double the displacement in a car and the air filter area is no bigger, and the whole air system on a 3.6 likely can flow as much as I can shove through my carburetors.
Sticking a huge filter with more surface area and a bigger pipe up to the throttle body isn't going to help things.
That's the cheap part of the whole system and it's crazy to think that Jeep would have restricted the intake air in any way while trying to max out payload and towing numbers.
Hooking your 1/2" garden hose up to a faucet fed by a 1" pipe isn't going to get more out the other end.

You're acting like you just found out my cat can beat up your cat.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You're acting like you just found out my cat can beat up your cat.

Your occupation fits you - that's all you exist for.

No, just stating facts. Been involved with engines and performance for too many years to fall for snake oil and armchair bunk.

 

[Dick]

Your occupation fits you - that's all you exist for.

No, just stating facts. Been involved with engines and performance for too many years to fall for snake oil and armchair bunk.

"At low lift" lol..... Do tell.

 

[Dick]

Please reread post #39. If there's a false statement in there, I'd love to hear about it.
P.S. I got fifty bucks says my cat can beat up your cat. Cage match. Two cats enter, one cat leave.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Please reread post #39. If there's a false statement in there, I'd love to hear about it.
P.S. I got fifty bucks says my cat can beat up your cat. Cage match. Two cats enter, one cat leave.

Ah, but is my cat in the cage or not?
I got him from Schrödinger and I can never tell if he's alive, or even in the box.

The statement in #39 is true to the point - assuming that you can actually GET more air in.
In the case of these, you'll need a lot more than a snake oil CAI.
(which again is a goofy name since the stock one is a cold air intake)

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