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All I know is soon, people will be clamoring for diesel's, deleting emissions, thereby eliminating a lot of weak links, and having a more powerful and efficient beast on their hands
Most people don't care, and aren't going to spend the money to remove a system that works fine for them, and risk having to put it all back when the rules change again in a few years. And if you're in the states that do inspections or emissions, you still won't be able to register it.

The enthusiasts that do care enough to put in the work of a delete, were probably going to do it anyways.
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Most people don't care, and aren't going to spend the money to remove a system that works fine for them, and risk having to put it all back when the rules change again in a few years. And if you're in the states that do inspections or emissions, you still won't be able to register it.

The enthusiasts that do care enough to put in the work of a delete, were probably going to do it anyways.
Register it in a state that doesn't do emissions testing then, and I doubt it'll simply be reversed, feel its one and done, esp as I saw this:


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Lee Zeldin spoke today at a conference in Washington, I personally asked him when Americans could go purchase a diesel truck or equipment without DEF and tier 4 emissions. He stated we are talking to the manufacturers and by model year 2027 we will not only be free of these in the truck industry but all equipment will be free of all tier 4 and DEF emission standards.
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Doubt Manufacturers would do that if they were afraid the next admin would reverse shit
 

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Register it in a state that doesn't do emissions testing then, and I doubt it'll simply be reversed, feel its one and done, esp as I saw this:


@RepresentativeMarkJohnson
1 day ago (edited)
Lee Zeldin spoke today at a conference in Washington, I personally asked him when Americans could go purchase a diesel truck or equipment without DEF and tier 4 emissions. He stated we are talking to the manufacturers and by model year 2027 we will not only be free of these in the truck industry but all equipment will be free of all tier 4 and DEF emission standards.
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Doubt Manufacturers would do that if they were afraid the next admin would reverse shit
Not a single manufacturer has said they are removing these systems. Zeldin is just saying whatever people want to hear.

And you can't register a vehicle in another state without being a resident of that state.
 

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Montana has entered the chat.
Montana won't let you register if you don't live there, but there is somewhat of a loophole.

You have to create an LLC in Montana and register the vehicle to the LLC. Then you will run into issues with insurance covering a vehicle registered in Montana but used in another state. And then you get the risk of being charged with tax evasion when your home state finds out what you're up to. People with deleted diesels here in Idaho used to try to do it that way, but it doesn't always work, and you can get stuck with legal hell.
 

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Some states might not care about reg out of state but Calif really does. With license reading cameras and AI linking them to an address the state can and will spank you in the wallet good. As far as smog goes, I got the Cummins recal done on my 2014 Ram 2500 and got a free 4 year, 48K mile warranty on all the smog stuff . In Calif I play by the rules. It's still not legal to remove smog devices just because they don't do smog testing..
 

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It's still not legal to remove smog devices just because they don't do smog testing..
Too much critical thinking for the internet.

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Some states might not care about reg out of state but Calif really does. With license reading cameras and AI linking them to an address the state can and will spank you in the wallet good. As far as smog goes, I got the Cummins recal done on my 2014 Ram 2500 and got a free 4 year, 48K mile warranty on all the smog stuff . In Calif I play by the rules. It's still not legal to remove smog devices just because they don't do smog testing..
A lot of cities and states have laws on the books that require residence of an area to have their vehicle titled and registered for that residency. Or you need to apply for a 90-Day Non-Resident (Drive Out) Permit. You can play the game of out of state registrations but if you get caught it's just one more thing they can pile on legally.

I have heard stories of cops roaming office/apartment complex parking lots looking for repeat out of state plates and noting plates that show up everyday that are out of state and past a legal time period.
 

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I have herd of them going to RV parks and looking for plates that don't match the home address .
 

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Not a single manufacturer has said they are removing these systems. Zeldin is just saying whatever people want to hear.

And you can't register a vehicle in another state without being a resident of that state.
Wrong. You can start an LLC in Montana and register the vehicles under the LLC.
 

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Wrong. You can start an LLC in Montana and register the vehicles under the LLC.
I know people that have tried that and it didn't work out too well for them. Commercial insurance is expensive, and they won't cover an accident when they find out you were using the car for personal use in another state.
 

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It's still not legal to remove smog devices just because they don't do smog testing..
This is the crux of the issue. I live in rural New Mexico where there is zero accountability. You can literally buy a brand-new diesel truck today and delete it tomorrow. It really boils down to a moral/ethical decision. Even though I fully support the current presidential administration, I still follow the laws. I believe it's my moral and ethical responsibility to keep the emissions system in good working order until the law changes.

I hope the EPA clarifies how long passenger vehicles have to maintain their emissions as they age. There's current litigation fighting that very issue.
 

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Many retired folks are full-time RVers, they often do change their state of residency to avoid state income taxes but still spend most of the year out traveling. This is a big topic in the full-time RVing crowd.
 

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I follow the law 100%. All of my EcoDiesel engines are emissions compliant, but how long am I bound to keep my vehicles emissions compliant? 10 years? 15 years? 20 years? I'm very interested in the Green Diesel Engineering lawsuit. Now that my 2015 EcoDiesel is 10 years old, does that mean it no longer has to meet emissions? I've attached the argument made by Green Diesel Engineering.
Biodiesel, the attachment in your post is an interesting argument. Please keep in the loop if you find out about any response.
 

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I hope the EPA clarifies how long passenger vehicles have to maintain their emissions as they age. There's current litigation fighting that very issue.
This is a legitimate, fair point, worthy of genuine discussion.

But we live in a society bereft of nuance, and it get's utterly lost in the sauce with the chattering from the 80% of the public with double digit IQ's
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