Gladiator Max Tow vs Non Max tow option rip out

[ShadowsPapa]

Only the manual transmission Gladiators have that, "Extra." shock.

Kevin

Which is ironic since I get horrible wheel-hop with mine in the winter. The truck really jumps when I go up through the deep snow in my neighbors driveway (which is steep)

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[Mr._Bill]

Interesting. First time I hear about this. Anybody know how much extra support this provides and if that can be retrofitted onto earlier max tows or probably any other gladiator?

It can be added to any JT. There should be a bracket on the frame above the drive shaft for one end of the shock. There is a bracket that attaches to the top of the Differential for the other end. I ordered the pieces from @AllMoparParts.com and installed one on my Overland years ago. I pulled all the pieces off to install it on my new High Altitude.

 

[Curt Oz]

This is probably been ask but, here we go. I "believe" I understand the differences between max tow and non max tow, but I know I could be missing something??? But if buying a gladiator that your going to rip out all the suspension, control arms, springs, and change front/rear gearing out anyways, is it worth buying the max tow? Is max tow really only 1 inch wider? Is that really worth it? Im looking at the Rebel Offroad Front coilover kit with rear spring kit with king coilovers up front and king shocks in the back with teraflex long arm kit. So is just going with a non max tow going to be okay, or should I still get a max tow? Is there some extra strength that comes with the max tow? Thank you for all your help....

Max Tow / Regular tow package
4.10 gears. 3.73 gears

 

[MrT]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned(may have missed it) are the knuckles on the max tow cast iron like the Mojave and diesel or aluminum?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned(may have missed it) are the knuckles on the max tow cast iron like the Mojave and diesel or aluminum?

Doubtful they'd be steel because there's not a big increase of stresses on the front end when towing. The Mojave is made for jumping and landing hard, and the diesel is just plain heavy and requires a lot of frame and suspension strength.
Towing doesn't increase stresses up front.

 

[Stan H]

I think the "Mojave is thicker" MAY come from incorrect or incorrectly written magazine or blog articles stating that "Mojave axles are 10mm thicker".
Huh? DOUBLE thickness? The axle tubes of Gladiators are already 10mm thick - so making them 10mm thicker is 20mm which is basically 0.8 inches thick! That's over 3/4" axle tube wall. That's some serious pipe and totally unnecessary as a real engineer would say - to increase the strength of a tube by xx you don't need to double the thickness.
The rags have twisted around pretty much anything FCA/Jeep says.
In the first reviews back in 2019 instead of the "10mm, thicker than Wrangler" they left out the comma making it "10mm thicker than Wrangler"
A comma matters, comma lives matter. .
Leave one out and you totally twist and corrupt the original meaning.

I'd love to see an axle tube that is .8" thick - that would be one heavy

I think the "Mojave is thicker" MAY come from incorrect or incorrectly written magazine or blog articles stating that "Mojave axles are 10mm thicker".
Huh? DOUBLE thickness? The axle tubes of Gladiators are already 10mm thick - so making them 10mm thicker is 20mm which is basically 0.8 inches thick! That's over 3/4" axle tube wall. That's some serious pipe and totally unnecessary as a real engineer would say - to increase the strength of a tube by xx you don't need to double the thickness.
The rags have twisted around pretty much anything FCA/Jeep says.
In the first reviews back in 2019 instead of the "10mm, thicker than Wrangler" they left out the comma making it "10mm thicker than Wrangler"
A comma matters, comma lives matter. .
Leave one out and you totally twist and corrupt the original meaning.

I'd love to see an axle tube that is .8" thick - that would be one heavy bitch!

Maybe a military deuce and a half, or military 5 ton ?

 

[Stan H]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned(may have missed it) are the knuckles on the max tow cast iron like the Mojave and diesel or aluminum?

All I do know is I was messing around on @AllMoparParts.com and I seen you can order just the knuckles on there.

 

[AllMoparParts.com]

All I do know is I was messing around on @AllMoparParts.com and I seen you can order just the knuckles on there.

We did add them as a kit here
https://www.allmoparparts.com/sku/steelknucklekitjljt.html

And we will also be revising the listing to accurately describe them as CI

Thanks,
- Benny

 

[ShadowsPapa]

We did add them as a kit here
https://www.allmoparparts.com/sku/steelknucklekitjljt.html

And we will also be revising the listing to accurately describe them as CI

Thanks,
- Benny

Are they cast iron - or cast steel or...............
CI is brittle.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Wow, thank you for all the replies so far.... Im curious if max tow actually has thicker tubes or is just wider? Anybody know how much wider it truly is? Mr. Bill are you saying just get the tow package and not the max tow then?

It does. It has the same axles as rubicon and Mohave. If you’re just regearing, but planning to stay with 44’s, those will be stronger. I say it’s worth it only if you’re keeping the axles. If you’re going to replace them with aftermarket axles, don’t bother.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Wider, not thicker.......... refer to all of the other threads and posts.

Not sure why the thing about "thicker" keeps coming up. There's not a single piece anywhere that says it - only forum members.

Standard heavy duty - and every build sheet for every Gladiator says heavy duty, even Sport and Overland.
The exception is some say "wide".

 

[TaterBUG]

This entire thread was an interesting read. We all can agree that the Max Tow is Wider than the Standard. I think that the .75 or 1.5 total is also consistent. Where was the difference in length added? I cannot find where exactly. I think it is between the lower spring seats and the Gusset but cannot confirm.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This entire thread was an interesting read. We all can agree that the Max Tow is Wider than the Standard. I think that the .75 or 1.5 total is also consistent. Where was the difference in length added? I cannot find where exactly. I think it is between the lower spring seats and the Gusset but cannot confirm.

Just wondering why it matters? Rubicon, Mojave and some other editions have the wider axles as well.

 

[TaterBUG]

This entire thread was an interesting read. We all can agree that the Max Tow is Wider than the Standard. I think that the .75 or 1.5 total is also consistent. Where was the difference in length added? I cannot find where exactly. I think it is between the lower spring seats and the Gusset but cannot confirm.

It matters when you start adding gusset and the space you have to deal with could change and therefore impact the parts needed or ordered. Case in point. ARTEC is a popular brand. Ordered a set based on the description and I belive they sent me the wrong set. Got them over the weekend but will be calling today when they open. Very relevant.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It matters when you start adding gusset and the space you have to deal with could change and therefore impact the parts needed or ordered. Case in point. ARTEC is a popular brand. Ordered a set based on the description and I belive they sent me the wrong set. Got them over the weekend but will be calling today when they open. Very relevant.

Since the frames are the same, it has to be from the spring pads out.
If the sell the part, they know the difference and if not then they don't know what they are doing. You should be able to order by model and option. If they don't know the difference, they aren't very good. In other words, if you can't order by sport max tow, well, I'd find a source that knew.
Tell them it's a Rubicon

We all can agree that the Max Tow is Wider than the Standard. I think that the .75 or 1.5 total is also consistent.

There's nothing to agree on - it's a fact right out of the FCA materials.
Consistent? There's no "thinking" and nothing to speculate on as FCA has published this information.

We didn't "decide to agree", it's all fact direct from the engineers and other FCA documents.
If it's the "wider axles", that's the difference as stated by Jeep - and we know exactly what versions come with it.

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