Gladiator Max Tow vs Non Max tow option rip out

[Blade1668]

I’ve never seen non wide tracks break at the fad but I’ve never looked for it. Though a google search shows a few rubicons.

The Mojave does have a 10mm thicker front axle but the max, Rubi, sport are all the same. Until someone cuts some axle tubes in half to find out for sure. The JL all the axle tubes are the same.

Well the Rubicon locker I got is from a broken at the FAD axle.

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[bd100]

Always wondered why there is such as a thing as the narrow axle? Why not make them all wide and keep things simple? What advantage could there be for the narrow axle in the lesser trims? Couldn't be much of a cost issue, I would think.

 

[Gvsukids]

Always wondered why there is such as a thing as the narrow axle? Why not make them all wide and keep things simple? What advantage could there be for the narrow axle in the lesser trims? Couldn't be much of a cost issue, I would think.

To add wider tires without sticking out past the fenders.

 

[PuddleJumper]

No, not 10mm thicker, it's 10mm compared to 8mm of Wrangler.
And I have screen shots of articles stating that all Gladiators got that.
People keep saying "10mm thicker" when it's 10mm, not 10mm thicker, and it's compared to 8mm Wrangler.

The Wrangler has 8mm thick wall axle tubes.
Gladiator has 10mm thick wall axle tubes.
Mojave has thicker - but 10mm thicker would imply 3/8" of an inch added to an already 3/8" thick tube wall making that front axle tube 3/4" thick!

All Gladiators are supposed to have 10mm thick axle tubes - that was compared early on to the Wrangler at 8mm. Jeep said "Gladiator gets 10mm thick axle tubes" - that's compared to Wrangler.

Imagine axle tubes over 3/4" thick because 10mm is over 3/8" thick and if you say "10mm thicker" than an already 10mm thick axle tube you are adding almost 7/16" to an already over 3/8" thick wall because 10 mm is over 3/8", almost 7/16" thick.

Oh lol. That makes sense. Too much math for me. Jeep just needs to release a wall thickness for all the gladiators. Cus there has gotta be some variation at least for the front. I’ve seen guys on here hit pot holes at 40 and just demolish the axle. But then I slam the whole weight of the vehicle on the front axle from 10ft and the truck somehow came out unscathed. How does mileage vary that different? Unless the pudding ain’t exactly the same recipe.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Always wondered why there is such as a thing as the narrow axle? Why not make them all wide and keep things simple? What advantage could there be for the narrow axle in the lesser trims? Couldn't be much of a cost issue, I would think.

Weight for payload, as well as MPG/CAFE numbers.
The Sport, Sport S and Overland were a big part of the sales in prior years. If FCA is honest, they won't be able to keep their numbers with the heavier trucks being a bigger market share moving forward. I don't know the details of how a specific model qualifies for which numbers- when some will get 22-23 easy and others will struggle for 20 right off the factory line - how the heck can they say "this is the expected number" of a heavy Mojave that won't even be close to those numbers.
They must be able to offset that by the lighter Sport and Sport S models.
Keep in mind - most of those two on dealer lots won't have max tow. They'll be low optioned trucks. And they sell a lot of them (contrary to what forums may insist are sold because of the sort who go for forums and the internet)
I suspect it's to keep the JT in the range of the numbers on the window sticker.
No way in hell a heavily optioned heavy Mojave or even Rubicon will see those numbers but the others definitely can and will. My stock Overland did 22-23 EASY - before it became sort of less than stock.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Oh lol. That makes sense. Too much math for me. Jeep just needs to release a wall thickness for all the gladiators. Cus there has gotta be some variation at least for the front. I’ve seen guys on here hit pot holes at 40 and just demolish the axle. But then I slam the whole weight of the vehicle on the front axle from 10ft and the truck somehow came out unscathed. How does mileage vary that different? Unless the pudding ain’t exactly the same recipe.

Weight. Just adding weight to mine dropped mpg.
They need to keep a majority of them lighter for cafe numbers. If they made them all heavy, they'd have to subtract from the sticker numbers and then they'd be paying even bigger fines than they already pay because they aren't making the numbers.
If weight didn't matter - then all of these would have steel hoods. They'd not make all of the accessory mounting points part of the engine block or heads instead of using steel brackets.

 

[PuddleJumper]

Weight. Just adding weight to mine dropped mpg.
They need to keep a majority of them lighter for cafe numbers. If they made them all heavy, they'd have to subtract from the sticker numbers and then they'd be paying even bigger fines than they already pay because they aren't making the numbers.
If weight didn't matter - then all of these would have steel hoods. They'd not make all of the accessory mounting points part of the engine block or heads instead of using steel brackets.

That’s makes sense

 

[Stan H]

I’ve never seen non wide tracks break at the fad but I’ve never looked for it. Though a google search shows a few rubicons.

The Mojave does have a 10mm thicker front axle but the max, Rubi, sport are all the same. Until someone cuts some axle tubes in half to find out for sure. The JL all the axle tubes are the same.

Not so Mojave and Rubicon front axle tubes are the identical same .

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/mojave-axle-vs-rubicon-axle.43616/

 

[Stan H]

No, not 10mm thicker, it's 10mm compared to 8mm of Wrangler.
And I have screen shots of articles stating that all Gladiators got that.
People keep saying "10mm thicker" when it's 10mm, not 10mm thicker, and it's compared to 8mm Wrangler.

The Wrangler has 8mm thick wall axle tubes.
Gladiator has 10mm thick wall axle tubes.
Mojave has thicker - but 10mm thicker would imply 3/8" of an inch added to an already 3/8" thick tube wall making that front axle tube 3/4" thick!

All Gladiators are supposed to have 10mm thick axle tubes - that was compared early on to the Wrangler at 8mm. Jeep said "Gladiator gets 10mm thick axle tubes" - that's compared to Wrangler.

Imagine axle tubes over 3/4" thick because 10mm is over 3/8" thick and if you say "10mm thicker" than an already 10mm thick axle tube you are adding almost 7/16" to an already over 3/8" thick wall because 10 mm is over 3/8", almost 7/16" thick.

@ShadowsPapa is 100% correct

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Not so Mojave and Rubicon front axle tubes are the identical same .

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/mojave-axle-vs-rubicon-axle.43616/

I don't see any proof at that link.

 

[Stan H]

I don't see any proof at that link.

Read @ShadowsPapa post 8mm was Wrangler thickness, 10mm was Gladiator. Shadowspapa is correct

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I think the "Mojave is thicker" MAY come from incorrect or incorrectly written magazine or blog articles stating that "Mojave axles are 10mm thicker".
Huh? DOUBLE thickness? The axle tubes of Gladiators are already 10mm thick - so making them 10mm thicker is 20mm which is basically 0.8 inches thick! That's over 3/4" axle tube wall. That's some serious pipe and totally unnecessary as a real engineer would say - to increase the strength of a tube by xx you don't need to double the thickness.
The rags have twisted around pretty much anything FCA/Jeep says.
In the first reviews back in 2019 instead of the "10mm, thicker than Wrangler" they left out the comma making it "10mm thicker than Wrangler"
A comma matters, comma lives matter. .
Leave one out and you totally twist and corrupt the original meaning.

I'd love to see an axle tube that is .8" thick - that would be one heavy bitch!

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Read @ShadowsPapa post 8mm was Wrangler thickness, 10mm was Gladiator. Shadowspapa is correct

We need a source to confirm this.

Until then, I think Hootbro is correct.

To date, it is strong internet hearsay that gets repeated a lot but no one has ever posted any pictures showing the physical measurements or published data from DANA confirming it.

Supposedly Dynatrac confirmed it but closest I found was more hearsay from somebody that knows somebody at Dynatrac.

 

[dayusmc]

I have to go with ShadowsPapa on the axle... It definitely is only 10mm thick from all the articles that were put out. If it was 10mm thicker than a wrangler, that would be easy to visually notice. I have a Mojave and a JLU, they look about the same to me, definitely not 10mm thicker. I just did both lifts and steering components back to back on my Jeeps, so it would have jumped out at me if they were that much different

As far as the Mojave have the 10mm thick axle, I did read that. But it didn't say the Rubicon or Max Tow didn't have it. I think all the wide track gladiator axles have the 10mm tubes. I think they were just pointing it out on the Mojave when they were talking about the reenforced frame.

 

[dayusmc]

We need a source to confirm this.

Until then, I think Hootbro is correct.

This is easy to confirm. Someone with a Rubicon measure the outside of there axle tube and someone with max Tow measure theirs and someone with a Mojave measure theirs.
Unfortunately I painted my rears with very thick POR15, so my measurements wouldn't help us ..

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