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Are you inferring that if a kid on a bike accidently pulls in front of traffic, you hit the brakes, and you are 1,000 or more pounds overweight and the kid is in a wheelchair in the courtroom with a fractured spine ........ don't you think that Morgan and Morgan (or whatever law firm is in your area) won't be on that case like white on rice ..... sorry .... but regardless of "fault", I don't want to be in that courtroom.
Are you inferring that if a kid on a bike accidently pulls in front of traffic, you hit the brakes, and you are 1,000 or more pounds overweight and the kid is in a wheelchair in the courtroom with a fractured spine ........ don't you think that Morgan and Morgan (or whatever law firm is in your area) won't be on that case like white on rice ..... sorry .... but regardless of "fault", I don't want to be in that courtroom.
Yes.

This is exactly what I think.

And you can't show one case of it ever happening to anyone.
 

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Yes.

This is exactly what I think.

And you can't show one case of it ever happening to anyone.
A. Nobody weighed your rig at the crash site period.
B. If you run over a kid you're insurance is going to be cutting a check.
C. How much extra stopping distance do you think 7k pounds imparts over 6k? What if the 6k pounds taller is a single axle and the 7k is a tandem? I'll bet the tandem stops faster with more tires and brakes. If you live life in fear, stay how on a bubble.
 
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A. Nobody weighed your rig at the crash site period.
B. If you run over a kid you're insurance is going to be cutting a check.
C. How much extra stopping distance do you think 7k pounds imparts over 6k? What if the 6k pounds taller is a single axle and the 7k is a tandem? I'll bet the tandem stops faster with more tires and brakes. If you live life in fear, stay how on a bubble.
Hit someone in a car, cause bodily harm and have your alcohol blood test at .07
Hit someone in a car, cause bodily harm and have your alcohol blood test at .09 (DUI is .08)

Barely notice it yourself. But go to court and see what happens.
 

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A. Nobody weighed your rig at the crash site period.
B. If you run over a kid you're insurance is going to be cutting a check.
C. How much extra stopping distance do you think 7k pounds imparts over 6k? What if the 6k pounds taller is a single axle and the 7k is a tandem? I'll bet the tandem stops faster with more tires and brakes. If you live life in fear, stay how on a bubble.
A) Yes they WILL factor loaded/GVWR ratings during an investigation.
B) And when they find out you couldn't stop due to negligence, you'll be getting charged.
C) 16-20% weight increase means 30-100' extra stopping distance, so that extra distance meant you wouldn't have ran over that kid in your previous example.


Sometimes I swear this guy drinks 10 cans of monster a day, and comes here just to troll people about "well I did it and other do so why shouldn't you?" Just because I CAN ride 180mph everywhere on my zx10 doesn't mean I SHOULD as often as you make it seem I should. If you don't like that example, it used your own logic.

Just let him learn the hard way, it will happen eventually.
 

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Hit someone in a car, cause bodily harm and have your alcohol blood test at .07
Hit someone in a car, cause bodily harm and have your alcohol blood test at .09 (DUI is .08)

Barely notice it yourself. But go to court and see what happens.
And again, you have too be 5k pounds over weight before it's a crime, not .01%? Make all the mental leaps you want, it's not that critical. Even if you haul commercially where this stuff is actually enforced and you're 5k pound over they write the ticket and send you back on the road. The dot would be liable in a whole bunch of cases if it was remotely the legal risk you think it is. Not to mention, if you hit someone at .01% blood alcohol you're just as liable as you are at .1% and your insurance still pays, the DUI charge doesn't change that.
 

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A) Yes they WILL factor loaded/GVWR ratings during an investigation.
B) And when they find out you couldn't stop due to negligence, you'll be getting charged.
C) 16-20% weight increase means 30-100' extra stopping distance, so that extra distance meant you wouldn't have ran over that kid in your previous example.


Sometimes I swear this guy drinks 10 cans of monster a day, and comes here just to troll people about "well I did it and other do so why shouldn't you?" Just because I CAN ride 180mph everywhere on my zx10 doesn't mean I SHOULD as often as you make it seem I should. If you don't like that example, it used your own logic.

Just let him learn the hard way, it will happen eventually.
1 case yet? Internet paranoia? Still waiting after 3 decades. And last I checked 1k pounds wasn't 20% of the 13k pound total weight not to mention that math only works if the braking force doesn't change, go back and read my example again. The 7k pound tandem trailer will stop faster than even the 5k pound single axle camp trailer that everyone is happy to tow with the gladiator as it has 2x the brakes and 2x the surface area in tires to apply that force to the road.
 

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Hit someone in a car, cause bodily harm and have your alcohol blood test at .07
Hit someone in a car, cause bodily harm and have your alcohol blood test at .09 (DUI is .08)

Barely notice it yourself. But go to court and see what happens.
Still waiting on you to show me one case of anyone ever being sued personally for being over weight on a tow after a crash.
 

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Every one of those accidents were still caused by the tow vehicle, and only 2 mention weight at all. Improper loading, double the hitches rating, over the tire rating, all contribute more than the weight itself and we aren't talking "this model was only rated at 6k not 7k depending on when you look at Jeeps site... and sometimes they list it at 7700lbs". That's so far from the criminal negligence of those business cases listed. Sure if you hook up 10k+ pound there's some risk. Within the rating of a JT is still within the rating and screenshots from Jeeps own site have shown the rubicon and mojave both rated at 7700lbs at different times. Not even close to negligence to believe the manufacturer who doesn't even give you a paper manual and tells you to go to their often incorrect site for such things.
 

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The first time I went to the local dealership to look at Gladiators the salesman that had been there 14 years told me all models have the same tow rating. ☹ I ended up buying elsewhere.
 
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The first time I went to the local dealership to look at Gladiators the salesman that had been there 14 years told me all models have the same tow rating. ☹ I ended up buying elsewhere.
I see you are in Mississippi where there "may" be more people who understand Jeeps but even then, salespeople are salespeople. If you think the salesman at your dealer doesn't understand tow ratings, think about those of us in or closer to urban areas.

I have lived in the Miami area for about 35 years. A couple of years ago we decided to rent the house out and buy a small place here in the Florida Keys, Key Largo (FYI, no Jeep dealers within 30 miles of here). In my original north Miami location, I had at least 12 maybe 13 or 14 Jeep dealers within a 45 minute ride. If you figure 30 sales people location, multiply that by 12, you have 360 sales people. I would bet a paycheck (prior to my full retirement) that you could count the sales people on one hand who really knew and understand anything about Jeeps. They do sales. It could be Jeep, Hyundais, Volkswagens, front end loaders, forklifts ..... whatever.

Don't expect too much.
 

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I see you are in Mississippi where there "may" be more people who understand Jeeps but even then, salespeople are salespeople. If you think the salesman at your dealer doesn't understand tow ratings, think about those of us in or closer to urban areas.

I have lived in the Miami area for about 35 years. A couple of years ago we decided to rent the house out and buy a small place here in the Florida Keys, Key Largo (FYI, no Jeep dealers within 30 miles of here). In my original north Miami location, I had at least 12 maybe 13 or 14 Jeep dealers within a 45 minute ride. If you figure 30 sales people location, multiply that by 12, you have 360 sales people. I would bet a paycheck (prior to my full retirement) that you could count the sales people on one hand who really knew and understand anything about Jeeps. They do sales. It could be Jeep, Hyundais, Volkswagens, front end loaders, forklifts ..... whatever.

Don't expect too much.
The only thing I expect my salesman to do at a dealership is get the numbers right before I see the finance guy.

Other than that I prefer for them to remain quiet and out of the way. If I have decided to buy something, I've already researched that vehicle to a greater extent than that salesman ever will.
 

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The first time I went to the local dealership to look at Gladiators the salesman that had been there 14 years told me all models have the same tow rating. ☹ I ended up buying elsewhere.
Every now and again you’ll get one that’s a Jeep person. Most of the time they are a ā€œcarā€ salesman. A lot have been through multiple brands and just chase the better pay. I can’t knock em for it. Just make sure YOU know what you’re looking for and the specs of what you’re looking at even if the dealer does not.

Case in point: I bought my Gladiator from a Honda dealer. I was teaching him things about it during the test drive and I’m far from an expert.
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