In-dash advertisement opt-out

[g2020]

Is anyone else not getting any ads on their Jeep screen

None here. I opted out earlier this year, but I bought my Gladiator six years ago so that can't be the reason. I haven't subscribed to satellite radio or any other service offered by Stellantis. I do carry a 25-year old Rand McNally behind the rear seat.

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[DanW]

TL;DR - if you don't want Jeep sending ads to your center screen call
800-777-3600

Here's an article dissecting the BS Stellantis is trying to spin about the ads, saying the inability to opt-out was a "glitch". Apparently they think we are all idiots and will believe that not setting up an 800 number, training call center employees, publishing opt-out steps, or including any opt-out option in their in-house software is a "technical glitch".

https://www.theautopian.com/stellan...your-dashboard-but-heres-how-to-make-it-stop/

Whoa.....there are advertisements on the new Jeeps? That crosses a line, IMO. Glad they have something to opt out. My wife is wanting a Gladiator or Wrangler, and that right there would cross a 24, 25, or 26 off my list, if it was not able to be blocked.

Good work finding and publishing the cure!

I've not seen anything like that on my 18 Wrangler, kids' 21 Wrangler, or my 21 Gladiator, thankfully.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

None here. I opted out earlier this year, but I bought my Gladiator six years ago so that can't be the reason. I haven't subscribed to satellite radio or any other service offered by Stellantis. I do carry a 25-year old Rand McNally behind the rear seat.

An on-demand Faraday trim in '27 would be interesting.

I should call that number and opt in so I can see all of the ads others are talking about.
Starting to feel left out........
J/K

And yes, when we travel, we carry one of these - my wife prefers seeing the whole area, not just a teeny couple of miles around you.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

It always amuses me that people still think they have any say in how their data is collected and handled, or that they can prevent data from being collected at all.

If you live in any type of technological society data is being collected on you regardless the measures you take. Plain and simple. The only people who don't have anything collected, at least in the way its collected about the rest of us, are those still living in disconnected primitive villages, and even some of them still have data collected, whether by satellite imagery, historical reasons, or through various organizations that provide aid.


Welcome to 2025. EVERYTHING is connected. EVERYTHING is shared. NOTHING is truly secure. Your only saving grace is most of you are too boring and insignificant for anyone to care outside of market research or trends.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It always amuses me that people still think they have any say in how their data is collected and handled, or that they can prevent data from being collected at all.

If you live in any type of technological society data is being collected on you regardless the measures you take. Plain and simple. The only people who don't have anything collected, at least in the way its collected about the rest of us, are those still living in disconnected primitive villages, and even some of them still have data collected, whether by satellite imagery, historical reasons, or through various organizations that provide aid.


Welcome to 2025. EVERYTHING is connected. EVERYTHING is shared. NOTHING is truly secure. Your only saving grace is most of you are too boring and insignificant for anyone to care outside of market research or trends.

With teams of psychologists, sociologists and others, they can tell a whole lot about you by where you shop, when and where you do or do not use credit cards, your credit history and more. Years ago, fakebook realized they could profile people and determine personality, who they are likely to vote for or against and more, and they sell that stuff. They all do it.
Use any social media and they know more about you than your parents.
Wait until quantum computing goes mainstream - it will be even worse.
Just the act of looking at network traffic will change that traffic and leave markers.
County aerial views can show what vehicles are in your driveway, your power use can be tracked by the electric provider (assuming you don't run off-grid there with solar and so on)
Think of it - you can totally avoid talking any politics on FB or instacrap or the others, but they already know how you are mostly likely sitting on the political scale just by your posts.

 

[Sweetums]

Very interesting:



TL;DR - Persistent and recurring ads in the car may qualify as a "defect OR condition that impairs the value or use of the vehicle to the consumer" that may qualify it as a lemon, depending on the wording of your state's law. The example he uses is for the state of Michigan, using their statue language.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Very interesting:



TL;DR - Persistent and recurring ads in the car may qualify as a "defect OR condition that impairs the value or use of the vehicle to the consumer" that may qualify it as a lemon, depending on the wording of your state's law. The example he uses is for the state of Michigan, using their statue language.

The word "may" sticks out - without going through a whole video - what's the final take -
has it been successfully used?

The best resolution will be they shut them off - doubt you will get a new vehicle or any compensation.

The way most of those laws work, they have to be given a chance to fix it. unless MI laws are different, it has to be something that isn't resolved or repaired after xx visits or number of days.

Looks like all theory without watching the whole thing until it's borne out in a court case because a company refused to stop the ads.

 

[Sweetums]

The word "may" sticks out - without going through a whole video - what's the final take -
has it been successfully used?

The best resolution will be they shut them off - doubt you will get a new vehicle or any compensation.

The way most of those laws work, they have to be given a chance to fix it. unless MI laws are different, it has to be something that isn't resolved or repaired after xx visits or number of days.

Looks like all theory without watching the whole thing until it's borne out in a court case because a company refused to stop the ads.

He addresses that. Based on the reading of Michigan law, the measure is "impairs the use or value to the consumer" - so if the consumer is making a complaint to turn off the ads then it counts under Michigan law. The law also gives the car company 3 times to get it right before you can send a final notice to correct the defect or condition or force a buyback.

You're right, it has not been tested and there's no case law yet - but these issues are far too new for us to have that at this point. This is one lawyer's interpretation and reading of the law, and according to the guy who specializes in the laws related to vehicles, there's a case to be made under at least one state law. California also has very strong Lemon Law protections, I know someone who bought a high-end luxury sports car from a dealer in California and took it home to another state. They still managed to get the car bought back under California statute after multiple repair attempts in another state.

I would make the argument that in-car ads were not part of the sales agreement. Saying the owner has the responsibility to rectify the condition of the vehicle isn't likely to work as a legal counter-argument; that would too easily generalize to saying the owner has to reconcile any mechanical fault too. This approach would shift the burden to deal with the ads from the owners, who have to slog through Sirius or some other convoluted opt-out scheme to the dealer network. That costs the manufacturer money in warranty claims, and potentially buy-backs.

It's also reasonable to argue that changes made after the purchase, such as delivering in-car ads and the negative publicity about it has negatively impacted the market value of the car. I know I'd never knowingly purchase a car with in-car ads - which is why I doubt I would buy another modern Jeep product after dealing with Sirius cancellations and seeing the direction they are going with in-car warranty ads.

It's bad enough to get the "we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty..." calls.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

He addresses that. Based on the reading of Michigan law, the measure is "impairs the use or value to the consumer" - so if the consumer is making a complaint to turn off the ads then it counts under Michigan law. The law also gives the car company 3 times to get it right before you can send a final notice to correct the defect or condition or force a buyback.

You're right, it has not been tested and there's no case law yet - but these issues are far too new for us to have that at this point. This is one lawyer's interpretation and reading of the law, and according to the guy who specializes in the laws related to vehicles, there's a case to be made under at least one state law. California also has very strong Lemon Law protections, I know someone who bought a high-end luxury sports car from a dealer in California and took it home to another state. They still managed to get the car bought back under California statute after multiple repair attempts in another state.

I would make the argument that in-car ads were not part of the sales agreement. Saying the owner has the responsibility to rectify the condition of the vehicle isn't likely to work as a legal counter-argument; that would too easily generalize to saying the owner has to reconcile any mechanical fault too. This approach would shift the burden to deal with the ads from the owners, who have to slog through Sirius or some other convoluted opt-out scheme to the dealer network. That costs the manufacturer money in warranty claims, and potentially buy-backs.

It's also reasonable to argue that changes made after the purchase, such as delivering in-car ads and the negative publicity about it has negatively impacted the market value of the car. I know I'd never knowingly purchase a car with in-car ads - which is why I doubt I would buy another modern Jeep product after dealing with Sirius cancellations and seeing the direction they are going with in-car warranty ads.

It's bad enough to get the "we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty..." calls.

You've summed it up perfectly, esp. first paragraph. And frankly, I can't wait for it to be tested.

Well said.

 

[g2020]

EVERYTHING is shared.

I agree that everything is collected. Data sharing can be managed. I spent more than a year doing opt outs, security freezes, and other identity protection stuff. The only gaps are 1) my junk email account, that I share with new accounts using Gmail plus-addressing, and 2) an occasional text to some random !@#$%^& who provided my phone number for one of his accounts twenty years ago. Personalized junk snail mail is down to zero.

1. The best time to opt out is before you buy or at the time that you create an account
2. Opt out of marketing solicitations and data sharing
3. Start with financial institutions, insurance companies, and communications companies and then work your way down the list (my list is over five dozen accounts)
4. Don't forget about the most obvious one: https://www.optoutprescreen.com/

When I worked for a big company and shared marketing data with third parties, I was required to know each and every flag. Big companies honor opt outs to avoid lawsuits.

 

[Sweetums]

I agree that everything is collected. Data sharing can be managed. I spent more than a year doing opt outs, security freezes, and other identity protection stuff. The only gaps are 1) my junk email account, that I share with new accounts using Gmail plus-addressing, and 2) an occasional text to some random !@#$%^& who provided my phone number for one of his accounts twenty years ago. Personalized junk snail mail is down to zero.

1. The best time to opt out is before you buy or at the time that you create an account
2. Opt out of marketing solicitations and data sharing
3. Start with financial institutions, insurance companies, and communications companies and then work your way down the list (my list is over five dozen accounts)
4. Don't forget about the most obvious one: https://www.optoutprescreen.com/

When I worked for a big company and I shared marketing data with third parties, I was required to know each and every flag. Big companies honor opt outs to avoid lawsuits.

Unfortunately there's a loophole in the law that allows for companies to contact you if you have "an existing or prior business relationship" and buying or owning the vehicle is something they argue qualifies as an exemption.
There's not much you can do for ads pushed to your vehicle screen unless the company provides a means, which they don't want to do. You can call from the screen to buy something, but Stellantis isn't going out of their way to publish the opt-out number or displaying that as an option when the ad appears.

I went through weeks of dealing with Sirius about them pushing ads to my truck. I bought it used and never signed up for their services, but they refused to stop contacting me or displaying the ads. I also started getting tons of junk mail thanks to Jeep sharing ownership data. It started as soon as I took it to a Jeep dealership (I purchased it from a GMC dealer).

So it's not so easy to just opt-out; it's so difficult that a judge ruled Sirius's practices are illegal.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Unfortunately there's a loophole in the law that allows for companies to contact you if you have "an existing or prior business relationship" and buying or owning the vehicle is something they argue qualifies as an exemption.
There's not much you can do for ads pushed to your vehicle screen unless the company provides a means, which they don't want to do. You can call from the screen to buy something, but Stellantis isn't going out of their way to publish the opt-out number or displaying that as an option when the ad appears.

And that prior thing can be with a different company with which they have a business relationship and not you directly. If you read the fine print, and I bet you have - with a microscope, there's a lot of loopholes in the laws. (my next comment would sound too political, so I won't actually type it, just think it)

 

[Badunit]

It bothered me that my Gladiator reported telematics data (mileage, tire pressures, oil life %, and such) to the mothership but I also wanted to prevent the automatic and unwanted downloading/installing of new firmware or any other updates (and ads too as it turns out). I disconnected the two cellular antennas from the head unit but left the Sirius/GPS antenna and AM/FM antenna. I'm not convinced that solved the problem, though. I still got monthly vehicle reports for a while that seemed accurate and I don't know which channel they use to update the firmware (cellular or satellite). I didn't terminate the connectors so it is possible, I suppose, that it could still communicate cellularly when in a strong enough signal area. Also, the service manual says there is a telematics box under the dash that has its own cellular radio but danged if I can find it; it is definitely not where the manual says it should be.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

LOL - it's made The Drive.
Again, I've never seen this, but it's obviously a big thing!
Crazy that they are pushing marketing for new vehicles to current owners - or, is that that only those of certain model years see these?

Is THIS what you'all are talking about??????

Yeah, I see what's going on now...........

 

[MT1]

That is one way to increase sales, for other manufacturers.

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