Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[JarHeadLV]

The rear differential looked really low to me.

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[ShrimpHappens]

Fixed it for you.

Man, I just can't understand this level of disdain for your fellow man. Wanting convenience doesn't make people stupid and lazy.

 

[CMac]

C’mon, guys: what’s “killing” the planet is not an EV vs ICE issue…it’s simply that there are waaay too many people here. I can go anywhere on land or on the water (I haul plastics and beer cans out of every fishing lake I go to) and find litter of every type (just yesterday, saw a shit-clogged diaper in the middle of the woods) and/or other types of human-centric earthly disregard. It’s only going to get worse as the population density increases. Our problems on earth have very little to do with using gasoline or oil…which, by the way, is indeed a RENEWABLE resource.

 

[Mr._Bill]

The Dutch coast guard said Thursday that the cause of the fire was unclear and that only about 25 of the vehicles on the ship were EVs, but in the audio of an emergency call released by Dutch broadcaster RTL, someone can be heard saying "the fire started in the battery of an electric car."

That statement was recalled by the coast guard. That's why I included all the links.

 

[Mr._Bill]

Man, I just can't understand this level of disdain for your fellow man. Wanting convenience doesn't make people stupid and lazy.

After two surgeries on my left knee, I had to stop driving manuals over thirty years ago. Automatic is a necessity for some.

 

[Silverator]

If EV's were ORGANICALLY edging into the picture - with charging stations already in place on all highways, etc., instead of being mandated and shoved down our throats, then I think they would be met with open arms.

What is alarming is the shutting down of coal burning power plants, shutting down of nuclear power plants, larger populations, and the DEMAND to change out to EV's in the next few years.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to wonder how that's all going to work out. Right now, CA have scheduled brown and blackouts because they don't have enough power to power homes already built - not to mention all the EV's they are mandating. But they are going to ban ICE's in favor of EV's? Hows that going to work out?

I say get the power infrastructure into place FIRST, and then transition over. Let it happen organically.

 

[BourbonRunner]

After two surgeries on my left knee, I had to stop driving manuals over thirty years ago. Automatic is a necessity for some.

I get that. I'm currently recovering from #2 on my left knee. The only way I'll stop driving a clutch is when I can no longer physically engage the pedal. If that means when they finally replace it, so be it. But until then I'm gonna keep driving one.

Far as the disdain for their fellow man: Yep. 100%. My faith in the ability of Americans to make reasonable, well informed decisions was long ago shaken to its core. Half of the population voted for an absolute piece of shit who's also a liar, the other half voted for an absolute liar who's also a piece of shit while blaming the other side endlessly for all the problems they've created.

The fact that clutches are almost unheard of in the USDM is just more icing on an already shitty cake. Not sorry, either.

 

[Dickster]

Incorrect. That's true for non-EV batteries of certain types, but not EV batteries - or even hybrids, because the in-vehicle electronics handles this. And when driving, the electronics in the vehicle handle that part as well. You can't possibly over-charge them. They also charge the last 20% more slowly. You're getting a lot of bad or old information.


Wrong again. I know of no one who has had insurance go up due to owning an EV or charging station. My son, in FL, has a pure EV and a level 2 charger and I've got a 4xe with a level 2 charger. Insurance does NOT go up, nor should it. The only issue is that they may not cover the charging equipment - and they may make you secure the charger for safety reasons (well, DUH!!!)

And this BS about fires with EVs - fact is they are not more likely to burn - just that in the rare cases where they do, it's a big deal, makes the news and people who know no better post it on forums as if "here we go again, another EV catches fire!"

In other words, 0.3% of EVs catch fire compared to over 1% of ICE vehicles. So you are 3 times MORE likely to have a fire with an ICE vehicle! There you have it. Apples to apples - percentages compared.
Of every 100 cars, 1 ICE car will catch fire and not even one EV will catch fire.

So please get some facts, stop the fear-mongering and mis-information.

EVs = LESS likely to catch fire. If insurance companies won't raise your rates for having an EV, they obviously know the truth as if there was a bigger risk, you know which way your rates would go!

The batteries in EVs are often shielded, wrapped, to prevent fires from spreading. Newer is even better.

You are an example of why I hate EVs. You spit out things you find on Google, stuff manufactured to push the EV agenda. Some of it is true and some of it is padded full of fake info. My opinion is based of article I have read, seeing first hard, been in manufacturing to understand processes, and built my own opinion. People like you jamming the EV world down my throat makes me hate it more. EV will be the future but like I said not with the technology, mining, manufacturing and longevity that is current. Good luck hope you enjoy your EV stuff, but I'll keep smelling gas and deisel.

 

[BAT]

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[Mojave2021]

For those not on board with EVs, it is more akin to "forced down our throats" than "coming down the pike". California, for one, is already proposing banning new ICE vehicle sales, starting the phase out in 2026 and total ban on new sales in 2035. That is clearly "forced down our throats".

No one is forcing you to get rid of your current ICE vehicle. If you love your ICE vehicle so much you can keep it running with some maintenance effort. Example my 1977 Trans Am has managed to keep itself on the road after 46 years, and obviously more recent technology should be even easier to keep on the road.

 

[GoFastJTR]

Just saw this video from TFL. With almost twice the HP of our gas version and it is literally a direct drop in I think this has a lot of promise…

I don’t care if it’s better. When I’m off-roading in the middle of nowhere, I want RANGE.
My Diesel gladiator has an extra 40 gallon transfer flow tank in the back. I can go 1,200 miles without gas stations. There’s no EV in the world that can do that.

 

[Jakeyou]

Like it's never happened with a gas vehicle?

Why would you say inevitable when it's shown (read that as PROVEN) that EVs are LESS likely to burst info flames.

You pick on rare incidents, and it wasn't even laid out the cause of the fire, and suddenly they'll all burst into flames.

I guess that Camaros and Mustangs and F150s need to be banned, too, as I've seen them frying along I80 and I35 here.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...h 20 (,undercutting gains from going electric.

 

[red/green hawk]

Pros and Cons...I frankly think this climate religion is ridiculous....buuuuuuut I also have solar panels on my house because the sun shines over 300 days a year in NM, makes sense. I'm happy for that. Probably wouldn't have them if it hadn't been for climate nuts developing the tech enough to be able to drive the cost down so regular consumers can afford them. My buddies F150 hybrid can be used as a generator for his camper....let me repeat that...a generator for his camper. It powers the camper and when the battery starts running low it turns itself on to recharge the battery...buuuuuuuuut who would want that problem if it quit working in the middle of nowhere.

My personal preference was a bare bones JT Sport S MaxTow that gave my a very reasonable payment. There were cons to that decision as well. My buddy can afford a $75k (at the time) truck and I'm cool with that too.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

range isn't high enough and charge times are too long to make it feasible or worthwhile. I wouldn't want to wait the 45 minutes for a charge over the 5 minute gas up.

As much as I'd like to set up a solar farm at my bugout cabin and never have to worry about gas.

I think the smartest move is still going diesel (for that survival scenario)

 

[Alpine Warthog]

EXACTLY. It's like so many things - jump on it because it's an EV.. Like the Ford trucks that burned in one case - the source wasn't an EV - but they did burn.

People are bitchen' about 1 bus fire and the media jumps all over it (likely Fox) and yet there's this -

500 compared to 1.

Why the heck aren't people jumping up and down about this one -

A school bus fire every day???
Motorcoach fires only slightly less than daily?
But no one cares until it's an EV then it's all over the news and oh, those EVIL EVs!
Ya don't give a rip about your kids riding school buses where one burns daily, but let one that is battery powered ignite and suddenly - get them all off the road!
Your kids can burn - but man we gotta keep those electric buses off the roads!
Where's the outrage about daily school bus fires?

This is interesting argument but the 500 to 1 thing is disingenuous to say the least. With the number of gas/diesel compared to electric. lets look at that ratio to see if we're even talking about the same basket of apples.
According to J.D. Power: Electric vehicles account for less than 1% of the 250 million vehicles, SUVs, and light-duty trucks sold in the United States.

according to TIme magazine (back in 2021) there were 500,000 school busses. 365 fires amounts to .073% of school busses catch fire.

From Autoweek:
"A better way of looking at electric vehicle fires is to compare the number of fires per 100,000 vehicles sold. Researchers from insurance deal site Auto Insurance EZ compiled sales and accident data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the National Transportation Safety Board. The site found that hybrid vehicles had the most fires per 100,000 sales at 3474.5. (3.47%) There were 1529.9 fires (1.5%) per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires (.025%) per 100k sales for electric vehicles."

.025% of ALL-electric vehicle have fires
.073% of school Busses have fires
3.475% of hybrids have fires

I think it was a little sleight of hand to split Hybrids from full EVs because hybrids still have the huge battery packs that everyone is all up in arms over.

I think the school busses win this one.

4xE is a hybrid and it comes in the category of HAVING THE MOST FIRES out of all vehicle types. IIT isn't nonsense for people to be concerned with the possibility of a fire in the back country doing things that 90% of drivers won't or can't do.

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