Lets talk manual transmission and stalling.

[Oilburner]

First thing I did on my old JK 6-spd was to turn off the anti-rollback/hill system. As I recall it helped a great deal, not sure if the JT's have it but I would bet they do.

Second thing was to change the damned muffler so that you can actually hear it running - it is not safe to be driving while constantly glancing down at your tach.

Unfortunately, neither will help the miserable torque characteristics of the 3.6L. I want to drive a tractor, not a weed-eater... LOL

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[Up venture]

I've had a few stalls rolling in second and come into some heavier snow or start an incline and the TC kicks on while I try to throttle out the TC cuts the throttle and causes me to stall. On a trail 1st is to low and whines out to much and 2nd is great for trail riding but in snowy situations down a down shift could mean the loss if momentum so I try to throttle out while the TC kills my truck I just need to train myself to turn off TC before also note once TC is active you can't shut it off until it's no longer active.

 

[Bruticus]

please tell me I am not the only one who has stalled this new 6 speed a few times shortly after owning it!

I've stalled mine a grand total of twice since owning... the first coming off of my wife's JKU during my first day of ownership, and the second on a slow creep into a parking garage. Both were just mild learning curve issues that you'd have with any manual transmission.

I've owned about 30 cars/vehicles in my life, most of them manual. People saying the manual din the JT is junk simply don't know what they're talking about. In fact, I'd say it's better than most manuals I've had (save for gems like the one in the Miata, for example, but WAY better than manuals I've had in my older Porsches).

And for those who DON'T think it's very good, they should either try an older Jeep with a manual, or simply shut up and be glad we can get one at all.

 

[Onebigyoshi]

When I shift gears, I rev it up a little and give it practically no gas during the shift, I gun it after the shift

So you're reving it right before pressing the clutch right? I was doing the exactly the same thing because it felt the happiest doing so, but another forum member (can't remember now) said that'll wear out the clutch faster.

 

[Up venture]

Also had some embarrassing stalls this summer. Went to launch my kayak in a local pond and go to pull out when the bottom of my flip flops hooked the floor mat caused me enough hesitation to stall did this again when coming out. The whole time there is a group of campers right there.

 

[hjdca]

So you're reving it right before pressing the clutch right? I was doing the exactly the same thing because it felt the happiest doing so, but another forum member (can't remember now) said that'll wear out the clutch faster.

This is the way I drive it -- get the clutch out fast in 1st gear, accelerate to 3k or 3.5K rpm, let off the gas and put the clutch in at the same time, change gears, let the clutch out, give it gas ---- or if you want to lurch forward a little, give it a little gas when you let the clutch out in second, but, this does wear the clutch a very little....

 

[MotoBrad]

This is the way I drive it -- get the clutch out fast in 1st gear, accelerate to 3k or 3.5K rpm, let off the gas and put the clutch in at the same time, change gears, let the clutch out, give it gas ---- or if you want to lurch forward a little, give it a little gas when you let the clutch out in second, but, this does wear the clutch a very little....

You're doing it terribly wrong... but hey it's your clutch, burn it if you want.

Onebigyoshi that was me. I stand by my teachings. I'm a mechanic, I know how these things work, I've raced dozens of cars and built dozens more. I see people drive their manuals wrong all the time. What you're describing is causing tons of unnecessary wear and tear and it should definitely not feel right. Unless you've just trained yourself to feel like this terrible habit is normal. Makes me shudder as much as you soon to be warped flywheel will soon.


This manual transmission is awesome, really one of the best on the market. I've got 4000 km on mine and havent ground a single gear shift, which blows my mind. The clutch took a little while to get used to in the first few days, but now I adore it. I put a magnaflow exhaust on mine ($406 black friday!) And it definitely helps with hearing the engine over my music.

 

[Hipbilly]

Ok, lets make a pact. First person to burn out their clutch ( that includes my wife....) orders this and reports back on how it drives.
Deal?

https://www.quadratec.com/p/centerforce/ii-clutch-kit-jeep-wrangler-jl-and-gladiator-jt-KCFT157077

 

[jimbom]

Waiting for my order to be built, so I've only driven an MT Gladiator on a test drive. I drove both an automatic and a 6-speed but don't recall -- does the 6-speed have the auto stop/restart at traffic lights? I never stalled it on the test drive, so now I'm wondering if it restarts automatically (as soon as the clutch is disengaged) if you do happen to stall it?

 

[Up venture]

Waiting for my order to be built, so I've only driven an MT Gladiator on a test drive. I drove both an automatic and a 6-speed but don't recall -- does the 6-speed have the auto stop/restart at traffic lights? I never stalled it on the test drive, so now I'm wondering if it restarts automatically (as soon as the clutch is disengaged) if you do happen to stall it.

Manual does have start stop but truck must be in neutral and driver must have foot off the clutch and brake applied. Also no auto start on stall outs.

 

[jimbom]

Manual does have start stop but truck must be in neutral and driver must have foot off the clutch and brake applied. Also no auto start on stall outs.

Thanks for the info. In my book that is another plus for the 6-speed. I was not looking forward to the stop/start or having to remember to push the button every start up. I rarely put a manual in neutral at a light, so that takes care of that! Then again, it would be kinda cool if it restarted immediately after an inadvertent stall as soon as the clutch was pushed back in. Oh well.

 

[homerun]

Ok, lets make a pact. First person to burn out their clutch ( that includes my wife....) orders this and reports back on how it drives.
Deal?

https://www.quadratec.com/p/centerforce/ii-clutch-kit-jeep-wrangler-jl-and-gladiator-jt-KCFT157077

increased holding capacity.... does that mean it would allow 6speed drivers the ability to tow heavier loads? More on par with what the 8 speed is rated at?

 

[HTXGladiator]

increased holding capacity.... does that mean it would allow 6speed drivers the ability to tow heavier loads? More on par with what the 8 speed is rated at?

Exactly what i was wondering. I went to the site and couldn't find any kind of torque rating on it. Just "increased capacity"

 

[elarse1]

I have only ever owned manual transmissions in all my Wranglers for 20 years and now my new Gladiator with a 6 speed. I personally disagree with various reviews about it being "horrible"....of course I have bias sure, but I also know that a lot of those "bad" reviews are from editorials where the folks are trying to compare it to their normal reviews which are not trucks, much less off road vehicles with talk about "long throws" similar to driving a bus or something so they clearly never owned a CJ/YJ/TJ/LJ/JK. My TJ specifically and JK were much longer throws than the newer 6 speed in the JL/JT. I do have one complaint and that is first gear is extremely short...I have no experience with this new 6 speed in anything other than a Rubi so maybe the 4.10s come in to play specifically for the first gear being so short but regardless I am very happy with it. You do have to wind it up a bit further than previous Jeeps it seems but that is an easy learning curve IMO. Back to the subject topic though, please tell me I am not the only one who has stalled this new 6 speed a few times shortly after owning it!

I've been driving manuals since the mid-80s and I really like the feel of this transmission. Of course I've stalled it - that's how you get the feel of the limits of the transmission. I was disappointed that pushing the clutch in doesn't automatically restart the engine - a lot of European cars I've driven will do that, which can save some embarrassment while driving in town, but it's not a big deal. It's not as bad as having to fumble with the keys, come to a full stop and crank the engine (like my old Tacoma).

 

[hjdca]

You're doing it terribly wrong... but hey it's your clutch, burn it if you want.

Onebigyoshi that was me. I stand by my teachings. I'm a mechanic, I know how these things work, I've raced dozens of cars and built dozens more. I see people drive their manuals wrong all the time. What you're describing is causing tons of unnecessary wear and tear and it should definitely not feel right. Unless you've just trained yourself to feel like this terrible habit is normal. Makes me shudder as much as you soon to be warped flywheel will soon.


This manual transmission is awesome, really one of the best on the market. I've got 4000 km on mine and havent ground a single gear shift, which blows my mind. The clutch took a little while to get used to in the first few days, but now I adore it. I put a magnaflow exhaust on mine ($406 black friday!) And it definitely helps with hearing the engine over my music.

Which part is wrong? The point is to "not ride the clutch" -- ie. Wrong Way - giving it lots of gas while your are slipping the clutch for a long time trying to take off --- will wear out the clutch fast. Right Way - Get the clutch out as soon as possible and do your acceleration with the clutch completely out. With the big tires and momentum, there is even no need to give it gas during the shift. This kind of approach makes the clutch last a long time and it will not heat up and smell.

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