Tacoma Breaks Down on Trail

[Lunentucker]

Here's the final word from Toyota.

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[Bjeepz]

Here's the final word from Toyota.

What a pile of BS. THe mechanical components can't handle the power due to the ridiculous modes and of course that nice snowy surface...

Here is another good one from Truck King, the clutch grenades then Toyota says user error. It is also revealed at the beginning of the video that the HP and Torque numbers are reduced from the automatic version because the manual transmission design couldn't handle the power.. WTFH.



I have had a 2009 reg cab 4x4 manual tacoma, it had a long list of problems, including clutch pressure plate, rear differential and rear driveshaft. Then I had a 2018 TRD Off road automatic, it seemed great other than the crappy transmission shifting.

When my Mojave was stolen if I could have found a 2023 TRD Pro manual I would have gotten that over the new Mojave. But never will I look to this new gen as something of interest.

 

[Lunentucker]

What a pile of BS. THe mechanical components can't handle the power due to the ridiculous modes and of course that nice snowy surface...

Here is another good one from Truck King, the clutch grenades then Toyota says user error. It is also revealed at the beginning of the video that the HP and Torque numbers are reduced from the automatic version because the manual transmission design couldn't handle the power.. WTFH.

I tend to agree, and the Tacoma is at the lower end of the class in horsepower and torque. Toyota is capitalizing on a reputation rather than working to maintain it. It's a short term win that'll bite them hard in the long run. The king will fall.

 

[hjdca]

lol, full torque and full brake to the same wheel. That will do it. I can’t throw stones though, I just had to change the passenger side intake cam and rockers on my gladiator. No explanation as to why they wore out.

 

[Sweetums]

Here's the final word from Toyota.

Called it.

$10 says it's software.

They were using traction control and the tires had almost no grip, so it wasn't a purely mechanical failure since there was no stress on the drive train, at least not due to traction conditions. The traction control was probably using code lifted from an AWD system that allowed for center-diff slippage. If both the front brakes clamped down at the same time, there was nowhere for the torque to go, the t-case was locked, splitting power between front and rear equally. If both the front brakes were applied by the computer, it didn't matter if the tires had slippage, the entire drive system from the t-case forward to the front hubs was locked with power from the engine still trying to turn those parts. Something was going to fail, in this case it was the t-case.

This is why locking diffs are better than computer traction control and I will die on that hill.

That "exceeded limits by only 1.7%" is BS, you should never even be close to the sheer limit of a part on a stock truck. There's a reason you don't sling a 10,000# load with rigging that has a 10,000# break strength.

 

[Badunit]

Roman didn't look like he was buying all that BS. Arms crossed tight, no expression.

What I heard in the TFL video was that if you go offroad and get in any situation where you might lose traction, it is likely to break and that's just how it is.

As for the Truck King video, I think he shifted into 1st. He was at 2000 RPM in 5th (0.777:1). If he had shifted to 3rd (1.443:1) the RPMs should have gone up to only 3700. They went way past that. He must have shifted into first (4.784:1) which would have sent it to 12,300 RPM if something didn't break (and something was gonna break doing that). It must be a pretty decent transmission to allow him to shift easily into 1st at that speed.

 

[Sweetums]

"What did you do?!"
"Melted the synchro on 1st."
"... I'm sorry you did what?"

 

[JTGuy]

The U tube guys want to stay in good graces with the auto makers so they will buy just a bout any excuse. I don't buy what the Toyota guy was saying. I believe he is being moved . A quick move out of the blue. This failure can and will happen again.

 

[AustyPosty]

No offense to any Toyota Tacoma fans, but it’s always been a severely lacking Mexican made truck, in every aspect except it’s engine it performs poorly. From electrical gremlins, anemic axles prone to snapping, a weak front end, an incredibly weak C channel frame. I mean really it’s never been that great of a truck, besides it’s engine. It has a cult following and that’s awesome, but Toyota fans will defend any failure or reliability issues tooth and nail. So many better mid size pickup trucks these days the Tacoma doesn’t make sense to me personally.

 

[Hootbro]

I don't buy what the Toyota guy was saying. I believe he is being moved . A quick move out of the blue.

Maybe it is related, maybe not. He is a Chief Engineer for major vehicle platform. Chief Engineers at his level are basically executive level managers and not day to day engineers. Executive level managers usually have a 18-24 month position life expectancy before they are either laterally or moved up to something else within the larger corporate structure.

E-Level management is a internal incestious group in most larger corporations in that they are always scratching each others backs to a point. Any fallout will happen with lower level plebs thrown under the bus.

 

[Janster]

Here's the final word from Toyota.

What I don’t understand… WHY WHY WHY do you need that ‘traction control’ when you’re in 4lo and especially if you’re running the rear locker? Sending power from the rear to the front and one side? No wonder something broke…..

I owned a couple tacomas over the years and wheeled with many more…..Back then, they didn’t have any of that fancy traction control. 4WD was 4WD and 4lo was 4Lo. It was rare to break the front diffs (unless you were stupid and reckless) and/or the ADD system. I’ve seen more CV joints broken than rear axle shafts.

For god sake…. Let the OPEN diff do its thing - and save your front driveline components. Let the rear locker compensate for it.
And if you get a front locker installed, you’d better beef up the rest of the driveline up there…

 

[Lunentucker]

What I don’t understand… WHY WHY WHY do you need that ‘traction control’ when you’re in 4lo and especially if you’re running the rear locker? Sending power from the rear to the front and one side? No wonder something broke…..

I owned a couple tacomas over the years and wheeled with many more…..Back then, they didn’t have any of that fancy traction control. 4WD was 4WD and 4lo was 4Lo. It was rare to break the front diffs (unless you were stupid and reckless) and/or the ADD system. I’ve seen more CV joints broken than rear axle shafts.


For god sake…. Let the OPEN diff do its thing - and save your front driveline components. Let the rear locker compensate for it.
And if you get a front locker installed, you’d better beef up the rest of the driveline up there…

I think all of the manufacturers now assume the nut behind the steering wheel has no idea what they're doing, so they try to think for them.

 

[Hootbro]

I think all of the manufacturers now assume the nut behind the steering wheel has no idea what they're doing, so they try to think for them.

Unless it is an enthusiast vehicle, most cars are built and marketed to the medium 60% of scale consumer. That is why the mid size SUV market is so popular and really indistinguishable design wise across most makers.

 

[Bjeepz]

I’m thinking whistlindiesel needs to get a new Tacoma for his channel, but I only forecast two episodes with it. The 1st it just stops working in minutes, the 2nd where he shreds it!

 

[Janster]

I think all of the manufacturers now assume the nut behind the steering wheel has no idea what they're doing, so they try to think for them.

Like everything else.... Reminds me of our local News channel. I swear, they think their audience is a bunch of 5 year olds. But then again....the more exposure I have to society, the more I see just how brainless we've become.

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