WARNING! Gen 3. Oil change not possible.

[ShadowsPapa]

. It’s been 2 years of this and as a society we should have worked through all this by now.

You'd think - but the side-effects of such things are like trends - it takes time for the effects to be felt, and the effects will be felt long after the pandemic is done, or at least we're opened up again. It's not "simple". The causes are many and take time to get through. Some things will never be "normal" again. The attempts to "heal" the economy have meant an excess of cash - and it's being spent and it's creating demands on things that otherwise wouldn't be there.

Can they substitute the oil with an non approved oil as long as it’s for a diesel aka ck4 or what have you??

No. Since the "book" is very specific, even the dealer can't put in what's not approved.
About the time a dealer does that, I'm going to be in contact with Jeep proper......

At this time oil is still out there, it's so far a regional thing. with the resources of dealerships and the fact so many are corporately owned (like almost every Jeep dealer in central Iowa) they can find oil - so far, at this time.

If a dealership were to put in oil that's not specifically in "the book" I would insist they prove Jeep said it was ok and get it in writing, and ask them to show their communications with Jeep. If they just guessed it would be ok, naw - about the time you get 3 hours away and there are problems. Not that Jeep is going to sample the oil, but still. I want things in writing if they deviate.
Look at the issues one fellow is having in Canada over use of a different fluid. Why open that door?

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[freebird_78]

Is it leaking? Or is it spilled?

Used ONE of my free oil changes. First, had to convince them what was the correct oil to use. Second... I get that things like oil changes are relegated to the new guys, but knowing to drain the oil pan BEFORE the top mounted filter? That seems like day one stuff there. Mine was BATHED in used oil. Never again, even for free.

 

[Rusty PW]

Used ONE of my free oil changes. First, had to convince them what was the correct oil to use. Second... I get that things like oil changes are relegated to the new guys, but knowing to drain the oil pan BEFORE the top mounted filter? That seems like day one stuff there. Mine was BATHED in used oil. Never again, even for free.

Years ago. I worked as a ASE Cert Master Tech at a Chevy dealership. We hired a kid to do minor stuff. One tech finished up doing a tune up, oil change, and brakes if i remember right. The car is still up in the air. The tech told the kid it's all finished and that he can lower it and put oil in it. The kid lowed the car and started to put oil in it. We had an overhead oil dispenser. Pull down on the hose and put the gun into the filler hole and squeeze trigger. Well..........the kid is filling the motor up with oil...........27 quarts. It was coming out the dip stick.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Used ONE of my free oil changes. First, had to convince them what was the correct oil to use. Second... I get that things like oil changes are relegated to the new guys, but knowing to drain the oil pan BEFORE the top mounted filter? That seems like day one stuff there. Mine was BATHED in used oil. Never again, even for free.

Curious - why would draining the pan impact a top mounted filter?

Draining the pan drains the filter up there on the side?
Interesting.......... oil is held up in the filter by the oil down in the pan.

 

[Free2roam]

You want oil? I have oil all over my garage floor from a 2022 Jeep Gladiator Diesel. This oil leaking piece of garbage has been bleeding oil since I picked it up on 12/31/21. I have had it in my possession a grand total of 11 days.
Paid $74563 for the worst vehicle I have ever owned in my life. Has 659 miles on it. In the dealership now with coolant & oil leaking out of it. No idea when it will be returned. Not this week according to the dealer.

Sounds like it's the last Jeep he'll ever own?!

 

[Sank]

Well can we briefly discuss what microscopic additive is in the oil that makes ms-12991 so special over another, while maintaining the SN rating? The owners manual says these two specifications are recommend, not required, so as long as we at least stay with the SN and higher rating we should be good, right?

THE thread:

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/official-2020-ecodiesel-oil-recommendations.29701/

Oh wait, you're on that thread already. Maybe this one then:

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...iesel-oil-mopar-part-number.49933/post-811505

Short answer, T6 and similar leaves deposits in the turbo reducing performance? At least that's what the screen shot says.

 

[Shabba]

Sounds like it's the last Jeep he'll ever own?!

It is now 3/3/22. Will be going to the dealer tomorrow to pick up my buy- back check. At least jeep did the right thing. They never did fix it. Last I heard the engine oil cooler had a split in a solder seam. Oil was also leaking out of the timing chain cover and coolant was leaking from somewhere around the turbo. Incredible !!!!!

 

[Maximus Gladius]

Look at the issues one fellow is having in Canada over use of a different fluid. Why open that door?

You must be talking about me.

Who would have thought that by COMPLYING WITH THE OWNERS MANUAL and using code compliant, viscosity compliant, chemically equivalent, Data Sheet confirmed AMSOIL lubricants WOULD VOID MY ENTIRE DRIVETRAIN WARRANTY,….AND…..Chrysler to blame the catastrophic transmission malfunction from glycol contamination FROM THE FACTORY, on AMSOIL and on me for flushing the glycol contamination and changing out for AMSOIL ATF, It’s insanity at its best. But their reckless and malicious stunt has poked the wrong owner. Did you all catch what I said up top that I “complied with the owners manual”? We’ll know soon enough how this turns out.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

…and while we are talking about the OWNERS MANUAL, don’t think you’re “warranty safe” for extending your oil/filter service because you can’t find oil or filters at your dealership OR because all of JEEP managers forgot to check their depleted inventory all at the same time. Your book tells you differently. If you blow off the dust and crack it open, you’ll see in all that fine print and boxes that if the dealership can’t service or supply, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO DO ALL YOU CAN to meet your schedules and prevent damage and if that means you go to some other supply source(s) to meet your obligations under the OWNERS MANUAL, then you have too. I’ll guarantee you there’s some fat little DSM rodent waiting to axe your warranty to make a commission for not writing a warranty repair for you.

P.S. just make sure your lubes comply with Chrysler codes and you’ll be alright in spite of pissing off the rodents that have personal and political differences to the MANUAL.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You must be talking about me.

Yup - it's absolutely crazy what's going on "up there". People need to learn from the hardships of others just how fast things can go south instead of every person learning it for themselves - read the danged book, if in doubt get things in writing, make them sign and date it and maybe even get the dealership's general manager to sign off on things.
In the end it's Jeep's responsibility, the shop only does what they are allowed or told so it's limited what they can do officially, but when making changes due to parts not being available, they need to stand behind either the change they make or their say that "it's ok".

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The service writer told me they are stacked up deep, weeks behind. He said shortages of parts are one big reason, but their scheduling service doubled-up for a few days, double-booked vehicles.
He said normally they may have a handful of vehicles waiting a few days on parts, right now they have over 30 cars and trucks waiting on parts, some since late January.
AND - it's that way on their Ford side, too (their Ford sister-dealership is right next door) - it's not Jeep or Jeep's issue or problem. Their sister Ford dealership is stacked up with cars waiting for parts for weeks and they are way behind on getting people in.

 

[ilovebikes99]

Let's hope nothing goes wrong then. It would definitely suck

 

[CivilJeep]

Thought I would share the slight change in the owner's manual language for oil in the 3.0, which to me is more permissive in the 2022 version;

2021 Version;

2022 Version;

 

[Hootbro]

P.S. just make sure your lubes comply with Chrysler codes and you’ll be alright....................

Unfortunately, that has always been the path of least resistance with warranty claims. Stellantis or any big company like them are about financial risk mitigation and if they can find a way to weasel out of their obligations, they will. Regardless of any consumer laws saying they have to "prove" you use of a particular fluid or part caused the problem, they have the deep pockets to push back on that.

It is also the same situation with the companies that advertise fluids supposedly meeting or exceeding the approvals, they have the deeper pockets to waffle not standing by their products.

 

[rharr]

To bad we don't have any junior machinists around here.

It would be nice to have a cartridge to spin on filter adapter so we can take advantage of the older more available steel can filters.

https://lnengineering.com/spin-on-oil-filter-adapter-for-my97-08-boxster-cayman-911.html

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