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[MSFTMatt]

First example - town of 7,000. Takes 10 minutes to drive from edge to edge following all speed limits and stopping at signs.
There was another time I called (when the garage had been broken into) and the Perry police arrived in 5 minutes. The guy said he was only blocks away finishing up another call.

The other - we live in unincorporated Polk County - the cuts to their staffing have been huge, and there's not a lot of reason for the sheriff to hang out in our area most of the time. But 45 minutes for an ambulance? Runnells is 4 miles away, Pleasant Hill - maybe 6 or 7. Both have "first responders".

I have no idea what your system is like but I work in an urban area in the fire service and while we get at scene anywhere from 4-8 minutes, depending on location, we sometimes wait a long time for an ambulance to transport. There are only so many units in the county and calls get triaged by dispatch. Always sucks to be on the waiting end but there is only enough to go around.

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[MSFTMatt]

You can talk about which side of the fence you are on. Until you are put in a situation where you have to defend yourself for your life. You will wish you had a firearm. I have a bullet hole in my back from 1978 that reminds me every day.

And it still has not healed?! You need to see a doctor my friend.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I have no idea what your system is like but I work in an urban area in the fire service and while we get at scene anywhere from 4-8 minutes, depending on location, we sometimes wait a long time for an ambulance to transport. There are only so many units in the county and calls get triaged by dispatch. Always sucks to be on the waiting end but there is only enough to go around.

4 minutes is still way too long when someone's attacking you or a family member though, especially if they have a weapon. The idea that a cop will be there in time during a violent attack just isn't reality. That's the point of the examples given. You are responsible for your safety regardless of what a certain group might tell you.

 

[MSFTMatt]

4 minutes is still way too long when someone's attacking you or a family member though, especially if they have a weapon. The idea that a cop will be there in time during a violent attack just isn't reality. That's the point of the examples given. You are responsible for your safety regardless of what a certain group might tell you.

I was only referencing @ShadowsPapa post about waiting for an ambulance, not cop response times.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I was only referencing @ShadowsPapa post about waiting for an ambulance, not cop response times.

Ambulance and fire response both outperform police response in my experience and most of our fire fighters are volunteers. Our son had a bad fall forehead first on the concrete at about 2 years old. Out cold. Called 911 and the firemen were there in under 2 minutes. Fortunately it only resulted in a mild concussion. I'm pretty sure if you wanted help as quick as possible you'd be better off reporting an injured child or your house on fire (not that I'm advocating putting more unarmed people in harms way). In rural areas response times all around are much longer, but that's a given.

 

[MSFTMatt]

Ambulance and fire response both outperform police response in my experience and most of our fire fighters are volunteers. Our son had a bad fall forehead first on the concrete at about 2 years old. Out cold. Called 911 and the firemen were there in under 2 minutes. Fortunately it only resulted in a mild concussion. I'm pretty sure if you wanted help as quick as possible you'd be better off reporting an injured child or your house on fire (not that I'm advocating putting more unarmed people in harms way). In rural areas response times all around are much longer, but that's a given.

You definitely won on that unfortunate event with such a quick response time. Where I work, we are not super well-funded, so we only have 2 stations for approximately 60K residents so as calls come in, we get depleted plus our drives are longer. In other areas, like Palo Alto for example there is a firehouse on every other corner it seems, so their response times are very fast. It all comes down to economics in the end in regard to this issue.

 

[imallcrawl]

This is why being aware of your surrounding is extremely important.



This is also why I continually remind my family to notice everyone around you, stay off your phones and never show weakness in public spaces.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This is why being aware of your surrounding is extremely important.



This is also why I continually remind my family to notice everyone around you, stay off your phones and never show weakness in public spaces.

Yeah, so what do they do - get up and move any time a person in a hoody sits near them? There was really nothing to signal inherent danger. The video pretty much shows that unless she got up and moved because of those sitting around her, it was going to happen. It wasn't about being aware of your surroundings. She could have had the phone put away - and simply facing the front. There's no warnings. Nothing indicating she was in danger. This is NOT about not being aware unless you stay away from all people who dress or look a certain way. I guess you don't read papers, you don't use the phone, you sit and keep looking around, for maybe 15 minutes the whole time? The guy could have been just a poor out of work guy down on his luck.
If I avoided every person who looked like that in a hooded sweatshirt, I'd avoid a big chunk of Des Moines.

Sorry, I see nothing she could have done any differently other than turn around and keep watching the guy, or get up and move. He could have been a really nice guy - just from a poor neighborhood.
Seems to me the real issue is our lack of help for those with mental health issues, and, letting people go on a promise.

 

[imallcrawl]

Yeah, so what do they do - get up and move any time a person in a hoody sits near them? There was really nothing to signal inherent danger. The video pretty much shows that unless she got up and moved because of those sitting around her, it was going to happen. It wasn't about being aware of your surroundings. She could have had the phone put away - and simply facing the front. There's no warnings. Nothing indicating she was in danger. This is NOT about not being aware unless you stay away from all people who dress or look a certain way. I guess you don't read papers, you don't use the phone, you sit and keep looking around, for maybe 15 minutes the whole time? The guy could have been just a poor out of work guy down on his luck.
If I avoided every person who looked like that in a hooded sweatshirt, I'd avoid a big chunk of Des Moines.

Sorry, I see nothing she could have done any differently other than turn around and keep watching the guy, or get up and move. He could have been a really nice guy - just from a poor neighborhood.
Seems to me the real issue is our lack of help for those with mental health issues, and, letting people go on a promise.

100% disagree with you on this one. Unless you know the person, everyone should be suspicious, especially nowadays. With random women (and men) being punched in the face, multiple stabbings and shootings that is going around, you can either ignore all of it or you can simply do the right thing and be aware of your surroundings.

If you or anyone else think this country is safe, than obviously you are either brain washed, have never experienced violent crime first-hand, or reside in a safe place where crime is minimal (basically not the hood) Truth is, violent crime is high and there is no denying it, but if you are weak-minded and believe the propaganda that is pushed that "crime is low" then I guess you will deny it

You can close your eyes all you want, but violent crime exists. Try and step out from your gated community and well-manicured lawns and take a stroll through the hood, I can 100% guarantee you will be aware of your surroundings.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

100% disagree with you on this one. Unless you know the person, everyone should be suspicious, especially nowadays. With random women (and men) being punched in the face, multiple stabbings and shootings that is going around, you can either ignore all of it or you can simply do the right thing and be aware of your surroundings.

If you or anyone else think this country is safe, than obviously you are either brain washed, living under a rock, have never experienced violent crime first-hand, or reside in a safe place where crime is minimal (basically not the hood) Truth is, violent crime is high and there is no denying it, but if you are weak-minded and believe the propaganda that is pushed that "crime is low" then I guess you will deny it

You can close your eyes all you want, but violent crime exists. Try and step out from your gated community and well-manicured lawns and take a stroll through the hood, I can 100% guarantee you will be aware of your surroundings.

Now that is hilarious. Really? Gated community? HAHAHA - funny. There's not even a police department anywhere near us.
Tell me what she should have done, since you believe it was her fault for not protecting herself.
You don't come back at me with what she should have done, but hurling insults! Wow.

So - what should she have done that would have protected her?
Avoid all black men in a hoodie?

Holy crap, you really don't know me at all with that attack shot right back.


You imply it's her fault - and that should should have done better - exactly WHAT?
I asked before - get up and move? To where?
Go ride the train in St. Louis - almost every seat after about 6pm or so is a "shady looking character". We were in a group of 6 guys - and all of us were spooked and kept looking around like - do we really want to ride this thing to our destination?

I have a word for you after that sort of comeback............. but I won't.
You had to come back being a jerk - not knowing me at all or where I stand on crime and you didn't answer the questions. You don't know how I vote, what I support, what I think of recent events and perhaps events to come (I hope). And yet - that's your response?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You haven't answered the question after blaming the woman - what should she have done differently to avoid being killed.

 

[imallcrawl]

Now that is hilarious. Really? Gated community? HAHAHA - funny. There's not even a police department anywhere near us.
Tell me what she should have done, since you believe it was her fault for not protecting herself.
You don't come back at me with what she should have done, but hurling insults! Wow.

So - what should she have done that would have protected her?
Avoid all black men in a hoodie?

Holy crap, you really don't know me at all with that attack shot right back.


You imply it's her fault - and that should should have done better - exactly WHAT?
I asked before - get up and move? To where?
Go ride the train in St. Louis - almost every seat after about 6pm or so is a "shady looking character". We were in a group of 6 guys - and all of us were spooked and kept looking around like - do we really want to ride this thing to our destination?

I have a word for you after that sort of comeback............. but I won't.
You had to come back being a jerk - not knowing me at all or where I stand on crime and you didn't answer the questions.

Triggered much? Let me guess, you have pink or purple hair too right? Let it go, just because you've been a keyboard warrior on this forum for awhile doesn't mean you can share your warped views on something you probably have no experience in.

 

[imallcrawl]

You haven't answered the question after blaming the woman - what should she have done differently to avoid being killed.

By saying you should be "aware of your surroundings" I blamed the woman? You sounded more like defending the killer here? What a douche for trying to turn this around. But not surprising at all - people like you always twist things around to make yourself look like the saint, I get it, its the whole 'messiah complex' narrative - no ones buying it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Who said I blamed the woman? You sounded more like defending the killer here? What a douche.

You used her as an example.
You said "put away the cell phone" and be aware of your surroundings.
But in THAT example, I fail to see much she could have done aside from move to a different space, clear out of his view (if that was even possible, sometimes it's not - if you've ever ridden those things)

I think the killer should have gotten subway justice (or not be on the loose to kill to begin with)
You are again ASSUMING. You implied it was her fault, not me, in your speech about being aware and putting away the phone - then using that example of a woman on her phone! How are we to take that?

See, you assume then resort to name calling again.
I said YOU appeared to be blaming her.
I'm not - I doubt there's anything she could have done except not board that car that day.
No one ever deserves any crime against them, and I never blame a victim, ever. I don't care what a person is doing or how they are dressed or how they act - no one is ever deserving or asking for it, nor is it ever their fault. But you implied.

Funny thing is - you can walk the sidewalks, ride the subways, take any public transportation, in Korea and you'll never be hassled or ever feel like there's a risk of anything. People ignore you. No pick-pockets, no rapes, no murders, subways are so safe you could send kids across town on them (not that I would......)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Triggered much? Let me guess, you have pink or purple hair too right? Let it go, just because you've been a keyboard warrior on this forum for awhile doesn't mean you can share your warped views on something you probably have no experience in.

OMG, you really don't know me at all. Really?
Warped views?
You posted the video then gave a bit on how people should put the phone away - and that woman was on her phone.
Sorry, I'm one of the very few who believe that Chicago needs a bit of, well, help, perhaps, from some bigger forces........... and there's about 40 DAs who need to be removed from office.

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