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[Zachanadandy]

No, my advice is not useless. Stay out of city's where public safety isn't a priority. Stay out of city's that have alot of crime and where crime isn't punished effectively. Don't go to places that allow petty theft but if you have to, understand that criminals in the area know that they wont be punished or know that the punishment will be minimal.

But your right, it wasn't her fault and she shouldn't have to fear for her safety out in public.

Context. If you read what I wrote, your advice is useless for people in her situation. Living in an urban environment, low wage job, just scraping by. Can't afford to just move. Can't afford to just go buy a car and avoid public transit. Can't afford to Uber to work everyday. Not to mention these type of unprovoked random murders are exceedingly rare even in those urban environments to the point you're just as likely to get murdered by the random Uber driver you used to avoid the public transit. Sure if you have the means to live wherever you want you aren't living or working in these bad areas, but that's not the reality for the vast majority of good people stuck in these bad neighborhoods.

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[AmosMoses]

Context. If you read what I wrote, your advice is useless for people in her situation. Living in an urban environment, low wage job, just scraping by. Can't afford to just move. Can't afford to just go buy a car and avoid public transit. Can't afford to Uber to work everyday. Not to mention these type of unprovoked random murders are exceedingly rare even in those urban environments to the point you're just as likely to get murdered by the random Uber driver you used to avoid the public transit. Sure if you have the means to live wherever you want you aren't living or working in these bad areas, but that's not the reality for the vast majority of good people stuck in these bad neighborhoods.

I agree. These types of attacks are small in comparison to violent crimes overall. What would happen if these types of crimes, such as what happened in Charlotte, were covered by major networks for more decade let's say? Crimes where one group of people seem to be targeting another group were put in the spotlight?

 

[Zachanadandy]

I agree. These types of attacks are small in comparison to violent crimes overall. What would happen if these types of crimes, such as what happened in Charlotte, were covered by major networks for more decade let's say? Crimes where one group of people seem to be targeting another group were put in the spotlight?

I know where you're going with the one group targeting another but I don't buy it and the statistics don't reflect it either. You're far more likely to be killed by your own race no matter what it is. Crazy comes in all colors. It was a white guy stabbing 3 people on a train in Washington. Unless your group doing the targeting is degenerate criminals and the group being target are decent people going about their day, then I'm on board.

 

[chr15m]

Context. If you read what I wrote, your advice is useless for people in her situation. Living in an urban environment, low wage job, just scraping by. Can't afford to just move. Can't afford to just go buy a car and avoid public transit. Can't afford to Uber to work everyday. Not to mention these type of unprovoked random murders are exceedingly rare even in those urban environments to the point you're just as likely to get murdered by the random Uber driver you used to avoid the public transit. Sure if you have the means to live wherever you want you aren't living or working in these bad areas, but that's not the reality for the vast majority of good people stuck in these bad neighborhoods.

YMMV, but I grew up below the poverty income threshold. We did at times manage to escape this situation by living with our grandparents, at times even essentially having my mom, sister, uncle, aunt, and grandparents all sharing a home that was 1500 sq ft. We'd move out from time to time as my mother tried to secure some sense of personal freedom but would eventually end back up in a family communal type situation.

I have to be honest, it would slow progress to the point each time where I'd be praying we'd move or something else would change as the issues around us grew. The thing is, for me, each time we lived in poverty it always felt like a probability issue where either youd deal with the same people enough times that shit would progress or escalate over time or someone else in your local area would progressively get worse over time and youd witness that knowing it was becoming a very real liability.

I worked my ass off to make up for dropping out of college in the first year since no one could help me financially and for some reason I was not approved for assistance, at least beyond maybe a few hundred dollars each quarter. I worked from entry level to engineering without a formal degree, it is what it is, Im not necessarily proud, but rather I was motivated by how I lived before.

I've been in fights, more than I can count, have been jumped by groups, held up at knife point and did finally thankfully get out of that as we grew to be old enough to start seeing people carrying in our area.

My wife grew up in an average income home that was supported by two parents and basically had the same life as all my friends growing up. Its a whole different world. Im not gonna say that being a tourist or a local that happens to drive thru or visit a low income high crime area is going to get shookdown, but I am going to say that residing in that for long enough is a guarantee for real harm. Not going to go into it much but it comes eventually and it will take something, I've literally lost friends to crime and drugs. My own sister still battles some 15 years after the fact with drug addiction.

I'll also add a lot of this goes unreported or unreported on the police side. They'd make trips almost daily thru our neighborhood, they're not always stopping. Fear of retribution is a factor, fear of police is a factor, as is knowing theres a low chance theyd do much. Its complicated, Im not trying to seek any pity or nothing, but if you didnt live in it, maybe just leave some space open in your mind. Im not saying anyones wrong, just the only way to really know is to have lived in it, thats my experience and opinion.

Im great now though, lifes really giving back but its always gonna be part of me.

 

[Janster]

Do you know how silly that sounds to someone who lives in a big city, Chicago, NYC, and other places?
safer methods of transportation? Good luck. A friend who worked for the department of corrections in NY and lives there says owning a car was beyond too expensive - $500/month for parking. Some people simply don't have a choice! And sometimes, there's no better alternative. I've been on subways and elevateds - and there are many times, you have maybe 2 or 3 choices of a place to stand or sit.
The last seats may be taken, hell, all seats may be taken. You have never been in such a place, I can tell.
There are people who simply have no choice. And, there are times, there are no better methods of transportation, other than walking blocks, or miles - tell me THAT is safe.

It was an EXAMPLE …. an example based on the video that was posted earlier.

It was an example of how you use your ‘situational awareness’ to make decisions to give yourself better odds of survival if something occurs.

So…. Those who **have no other choice** - are you implying that they don’t need situational awareness? They shouldn’t be making day-to-day decisions to keep themselves safer?

It’s not any different than driving in traffic…. We‘re all aware of what’s going on around us. You can pinpoint ‘unsafe’ drivers by their actions, or can predict what they’re going to do…. and you react accordingly to avoid collisions.

 

[Janster]

I can't imagine being this scared all the time, seems exhausting.

And travelling by car is over 30x more likely to kill you than public transit.

I’m not scared at all… Just AWARE……

People should try it sometime…. Just look up… Look around…. Breathe the fresh air. Take notice to the trees, the grass…. buildings, architecture, wildlife… , You’ll easily notice ‘suspicious’ things if you just take notice to the world around you.….. Instead of being buried in their phones all the time and/or being pre-occupied.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It’s not any different than driving in traffic…. We‘re all aware of what’s going on around us. You can pinpoint ‘unsafe’ drivers by their actions, or can predict what they’re going to do…. and you react accordingly to avoid collisions.

Very different. Someone just sitting in a seat behind or near you isn't doing stupid things in traffic. They are sitting there.
Sorry, bad comparison.

So…. Those who **have no other choice** - are you implying that they don’t need situational awareness? They shouldn’t be making day-to-day decisions to keep themselves safer?

Especially in that video - there was zero anyone could have done.
Of course you need to be aware - that's silly to even ask.
What some of us are saying is that no matter what sort of a situational ninja you are - you can't possibly protect or prepare for everything.
I'll ask again - what could that woman have done differently, since people seem to be implying she wasn't "aware" like those in their chairs knowing all about it are suggesting.

We've talked about this before - knife attacks almost always happen when it's too late to react. And you can't possibly tell me that guy gave clues of any sort - nothing different from half of the people who ride a subway or train.

You act like you know all about it more than anyone else and you would have never let yourself be in that situation - even with no clues ahead of time.

I'll ask the experts in situational awareness again - since no one has answered thus far -
What would you have done different?
What are you saying that woman should have known and done differently?
You act like none of us know anything about "situational awareness" and you can know or predict every possible end - so, again what did she do wrong since you know more about situational awareness than others who you keep preaching to about it.

 

[Janster]

Very different. Someone just sitting in a seat behind or near you isn't doing stupid things in traffic. They are sitting there.
Sorry, bad comparison.

The point was there…I’m sorry you missed it. And here I thought you were the psychology wizard?

Especially in that video - there was zero anyone could have done.
Of course you need to be aware - that's silly to even ask.
What some of us are saying is that no matter what sort of a situational ninja you are - you can't possibly protect or prepare for everything.
I'll ask again - what could that woman have done differently, since people seem to be implying she wasn't "aware" like those in their chairs knowing all about it are suggesting.

Nobody is blaming her for what happened…….We‘re all just having ‘discussions’ about what she could’ve done. Yes…what she could’ve done.
I’ve already mentioned my own thoughts….if I were in her shoes.

All you need to do, is be aware of your surroundings…. Get off the damn phone and pay attention. You‘ll notice a lot of things when you pay attention and be alert. Sure…you can’t predict everything, that’s a no brainer. I guarantee….. Being alert and noticing suspicious activity will give you far better chances of survival if shit hits the fan. But that’s not enough…..Once you take notice to suspicion activity (a car who’s about to cut you off), your brain needs to make decisions on what to do (swerve to avoid collision)if shit hits the fan.

Self defense isn’t a high priority for some folks (unknowingly). They’re less likely to even consider being ‘alert’ for self defense purposes versus looking at that cute girl/guy across the street. They‘re not in-tune with what to look for…..and probably wouldn’t notice suspicious activity until it was ‘too late’. It’s a conscious effort to educate themselves….. Nobody is perfect. Nobody is a self defense ninja.
Having a self defense mindset is certainly much better than not having it!!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The point was there…I’m sorry you missed it. And here I thought you were the psychology wizard?



Nobody is blaming her for what happened…….We‘re all just having ‘discussions’ about what she could’ve done. Yes…what she could’ve done.
I’ve already mentioned my own thoughts….if I were in her shoes.

All you need to do, is be aware of your surroundings…. Get off the damn phone and pay attention. You‘ll notice a lot of things when you pay attention and be alert. Sure…you can’t predict everything, that’s a no brainer. I guarantee….. Being alert and noticing suspicious activity will give you far better chances of survival if shit hits the fan. But that’s not enough…..Once you take notice to suspicion activity (a car who’s about to cut you off), your brain needs to make decisions on what to do (swerve to avoid collision)if shit hits the fan.

Self defense isn’t a high priority for some folks (unknowingly). They’re less likely to even consider being ‘alert’ for self defense purposes versus looking at that cute girl/guy across the street. They‘re not in-tune with what to look for…..and probably wouldn’t notice suspicious activity until it was ‘too late’. It’s a conscious effort to educate themselves….. Nobody is perfect. Nobody is a self defense ninja.
Having a self defense mindset is certainly much better than not having it!!

Again - what should she have done different?
You are saying "get off the phone" - and that would have made a difference when someone suddenly stands up and stabs you?
Driving doesn't count - not even close. You have a lot more indicators or time.
I can easily predict by observing mirrors and just watching how people behave on the road what they are going to do.
On a subway, they get in and sit down. So - you see them, are aware they are there - so?
What would YOU do differently - phone or not.
Still no one will answer my question - what would or should she have done to avoid being killed.
What would YOU have done if you were in her exact circumstances- in detail.

You talk as if you'd have totally survived and are the expert in situational awareness - so explain what she did wrong and how you'd have never gotten knifed.
Just pretend there's no phone involved and she's sitting there for the ride.
You make it sound SOOOO easy - but can't explain what she did wrong.
So no phone - you sit, there's someone behind you. So? Then what?
No more "you need to be aware" - we've seen the video, what would you have done to make sure it didn't happen to you - exactly. And what clues did you have that it was going to happen.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

We've all had a chance to see that video. We've all seen how it started and how it ended, and what was in between.
To those who keep talking "you need to be alert and pay attention" - let's use that video as a training video - since you are teaching us what we aren't already aware of (but really are) -
Consider it a fake video, made for training on "situational awareness" -
What should the actor in that movie have done differently?
How and why would it have mattered?
In detail.
What should have been seen as clues the alleged killer (gotta keep it legal!) was going to kill someone, and how could it have been avoided?
Don't just come back in and say "you need to be aware of your surroundings. What moron doesn't already know that?
And you can't compare someone driving on the road near you where you can easily observe their speed, steering, movements in or between lanes and so on.
I'm talking in a bus, subway, or walking down a street.
Keep in mind, most knife attackers don't let the knife show until they are very close, even in striking distance, and attackers sometimes look pretty ordinary until they strike.

People who cut you off in traffic aren't sneak attacks and are also pretty easy to predict. So no traffic comparisons, please.
Bus or subway only.

 

[Hootbro]

You're far more likely to be killed by your own race no matter what it is.

That is in the raw aggregate and only because you are more likely to be killed by someone you know and that is usually within your own racial identity.

If one seeks out the FBI UCR break down tables of homicide rates based on race with victims race vs perpetrator race and factoring in percentage representation, there is some uncomfortable truths.

 

[Gvsukids]

All you need to do, is be aware of your surroundings…. Get off the damn phone and pay attention.

After a long day of work, what would you want to do on the ride home?

 

[Zachanadandy]

After a long day of work, what would you want to do on the ride home?

And it's a dumb argument. Off your phone, paying attention, in the case would have done nothing. Unless you are literally running away from anyone who ever sits behind you or stands behind you in line this type of attack is not something you could defend. Since we are using the analogy of driving, it's like changing lanes every time there is a car behind you. Not a car driving aggressively or speeding towards your rear bumper. The guy was sitting there calm as can be. Stood up like he was getting off the train, and started stabbing. Remove the stabbing and there's no suspicious behavior, just another day on the train like every other day with every other passenger that sits down behind you. That's not situational awareness that's a level of psychotic paranoia. Tell us you're afraid of minorities simply for being minorities without saying it out loud much?

 

[Janster]

Again - what should she have done different?
You are saying "get off the phone" - and that would have made a difference when someone suddenly stands up and stabs you?
Driving doesn't count - not even close. You have a lot more indicators or time.
I can easily predict by observing mirrors and just watching how people behave on the road what they are going to do.
On a subway, they get in and sit down. So - you see them, are aware they are there - so?
What would YOU do differently - phone or not.
Still no one will answer my question - what would or should she have done to avoid being killed.
What would YOU have done if you were in her exact circumstances- in detail.

You talk as if you'd have totally survived and are the expert in situational awareness - so explain what she did wrong and how you'd have never gotten knifed.
Just pretend there's no phone involved and she's sitting there for the ride.
You make it sound SOOOO easy - but can't explain what she did wrong.
So no phone - you sit, there's someone behind you. So? Then what?
No more "you need to be aware" - we've seen the video, what would you have done to make sure it didn't happen to you - exactly. And what clues did you have that it was going to happen.

Wow…I seriously can’t explain to you what my points are…. and I’m not sure your mindset wants to understand it. So be it……
I‘ve already explained to you (and everyone) what she could‘ve done…. WHAT I WOULD’VE done if I was in her shoes. But, again….your mindset totally missed it.
If you want me to take a screen shot and post a picture…I will. But I’m going to force you to scroll back. I’m done wasting my time.

Everyone should have a self defense mindset…… Those who do, have their own views of how to protect themselves. You do you… I hope your decisions in life (to protect yourself & your family) are the right decisions.

 

[Janster]

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