Was the Driver a Member? [⚠️ Admin Warning: NO POLITICS]

[Zachanadandy]

https://www.cvpsd.org/post/how-seat...ts-in-restaurants-buses-trains-and-the-subway

Another article that contradicts itself and is out of touch with reality. On the bus you should sit near the exit and avoid the back and/or sit near the driver which puts everyone on the bus behind you. On the train/subway you should sit near the exit but also watch your back and choose a seat that has a full view of the car? Those are literally seats that couldn't get farther from each other. She was sitting near the exit as recommended... and it didn't matter. And On a crowded train fidget it, you get in where you fit in.

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[ShadowsPapa]

After a long day of work, what would you want to do on the ride home?

My point is, if she was like me - she can have phone in hand and still take in all of the sounds and sights and movements around her. I know that in this country people have their noses in the phone and walk into walls or fall into sewer drains, but...............

Wow…I seriously can’t explain to you what my points are…. and I’m not sure your mindset wants to understand it. So be it……
I‘ve already explained to you (and everyone) what she could‘ve done…. WHAT I WOULD’VE done if I was in her shoes. But, again….your mindset totally missed it.
If you want me to take a screen shot and post a picture…I will. But I’m going to force you to scroll back. I’m done wasting my time.

Everyone should have a self defense mindset…… Those who do, have their own views of how to protect themselves. You do you… I hope your decisions in life (to protect yourself & your family) are the right decisions.

You talk as if I know nothing about any of it. I assure you - I've been through training, in multiple jobs and places. I walked the streets of Israel at midnight. I catch things many people miss.
Since at least age 10 - I've been ranked, over and over in all sorts of tests, at pattern recognition, and puzzle solving. I've been able to very often predict the "next moves" of drivers on the road because I'm aware of everything way way out in front, behind me and beside me. But I also know it's impossible to predict everything - like the guy in the lane to the left who has a wife sitting by him who just told him - THAT'S OUR EXIT, YOU'RE GOING TO MISS IT! and he decides, no, we aren't, and suddenly he's in front of you hitting the brakes and making a sudden right turn. You can't predict that, no way in hell - just can't be done.
I've been through classes - mandatory as a government employee, so I would be able to protect myself, other employees, and clients. I was the HEAD of safety for a health care facility for a while - and responsible for educating nursing staff on such things.
Don't act like I don't know these things.

My questions still stand -
How would YOU have avoided being killed. And don't say "put down the phone and be aware" because you don't know how aware that young lady from a war zone might have already been. I mean specific moves or things other than "put the phone down and be aware of your surroundings".

Case here, local - woman shopping at Walmart. She goes out to her car, it's quiet, just normal foot traffic to and from the store. It was daylight, not after sunset. She unlocks the door, opens the rear door and puts her stuff in, then gets in the car. A man jumps in from the other side before she could do anything.
Where was he before that? Great question that remains unanswered.
Now you might say the woman should have looked under her car, and walked all the way around it........... do you do that every time you get into your vehicle? (I don't expect an honest answer........)
Since it was local, I followed it with interest, but all there was, was speculation as to how he pulled it off. And of course, no one saw anything unusual.

You are sitting in a subway car - the man behind you suddenly stands up and stabs you. It happens very fast. How do you avoid it?

You walk down the street to get to your car. Two guys jump out of a recessed store front to rob you - you cooperate but one of them isn't happy with the haul and has had a bad day, so pistol whips you anyway. You are suggesting you'd have seen around the corner and known they were there?
Remember, not everyone lives where you do and has the cushy income to be able to totally avoid such situations - some are forced to live in such areas unless you give them the income to move.

And remember, you are not the only one trained in such things - others here have been and are just as good as you are at your perfect environmental awareness.

Still looking for a very specific action plan - what could the woman in the video have done or according some with greater means, what should she have done?
Putting down the phone isn't an answer - you have no idea how into the phone she was. Could have been very casual as she listened and watched with peripheral vision what went on around here. If she had put down the phone - how would that have saved her.

All of these pages, and not one single answer.
That's because there is no answer. Even the experts here can't answer it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Another article that contradicts itself and is out of touch with reality. On the bus you should sit near the exit and avoid the back and/or sit near the driver which puts everyone on the bus behind you. On the train/subway you should sit near the exit but also watch your back and choose a seat that has a full view of the car? Those are literally seats that couldn't get farther from each other. She was sitting near the exit as recommended... and it didn't matter. And On a crowded train fidget it, you get in where you fit in.

Yes.

I also believe some so highly trained in self-defense and experts in situational awareness have never been to some of the places I've been to. I have to suspect, everyone in Israel, especially the area Google calls Palestine, people are aware. But you can be SO aware and still miss the obvious.

(I could reference a very old Myth Busters bit - were one of the crew had to get within 5 feet to even realize that Adam was wearing a MASK, and it wasn't really Jamie. Knew him for 10 years and didn't realize it wasn't really him!)

like I said before - a group of several full-grown guys, 2A types, pretty strong guys, not couch potatoes, and on that train in St. Louis, I saw really sort of "I wish I wasn't really here" types of feelings from them.
You had no choice. You got on, you took whatever spot there was, and at the next stop - some more shady looking characters got on, and it was rinse, repeat........

Talk about awareness - in one place, everyone had their faces in their phones, but I witnessed something amazing - at one stop, an elderly woman got on - right away, people stood up offering her a seat.
At another stop, similar - woman carrying child got on - people stood up and offered seats. I guess people can actually be aware of things around them without staring at people.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Bubbles for everyone. That way folks just bounce off each other all day.

 

[Rusty PW]

When I read this thread. I have to have my bull shit hip waiters on. Because the shit is deep.

 

[Tsqtomnkaren]

When I read this thread. I have to have my bull shit hip waiters on. Because the shit is deep.

When I read this thread. I have to have my bull shit hip waiters on. Because the shit is deep.

I put my CHEST WADERS on at #15...

 

[Gvsukids]

I put my CHEST WADERS on at #15...

After going through with a sword, the thread is a little leaner and my post count changed.

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