Weight FYI

[LostWoods]

Weird, my sticker stock says 1043

The diesel has a pretty abysmal payload in Rubicon form.

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[JET_83]

The diesel has a pretty abysmal payload in Rubicon form.

That makes sense because of how much that diesel weighs in comparison to the 3.6 L gas

 

[ShadowsPapa]

At this point I pretty much only use take off bronco 255/75/17 dueler ATs. Which thankfully are inexpensive and plentiful

It's how a tire follows the chosen path. Hard to explain, but a wider tire, more "grip" resists that initial input.

My theory on that - A wide tire on a turn also has an effect similar to that experienced by the inner vs. outer tire on a tight turn. The outer follows a wider arc, a larger circle than the inner. A wide tire is going to scrub a bit more on tight turns. The part of a wide tire on the inside of a turn on a tight turn wants to turn less revolutions than the part of a wide tire on the outside of a tight turn.
Just a thought. I liken it to dual tires if the tires are very wide.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Actually mine as delivered was 924 off the door sticker, after swapping everything went to the cat scale and reweighed full of fuel and subtracted that weight from max of 6450 and now sit at 1010…

But you can't count tires and wheels differences, so it's not a great way to get exact - but then exact only counts in target shooting.
To get your change, you'd have to do it with the stock tires, then switch to the replacements and not weigh with the new tires.

Weird, my sticker stock says 1043

They are all different. Another Overland may be different from mine. Even a 3.6 Overland will vary based on options. IF they don't have a tonneau cover, no bed liner, and maybe cloth seats, their payload may be better than mine.
Diesel of course, totally different.

Rubicon payload with stock tires is actually 1200

"based model" and "equipped as shown". Never go by the advertised payload! Your payload WILL vary. Tires also don't determine payload. The only way tires make a difference is if the load rating of the tire is way low, but even ordinary tires have more load capacity than these trucks. Take a low load rating tire, it's likely to be 2500 pounds x 4 tires, that's 10,000 pounds! Now tell me you are going to load your JT down so that the total weight of truck and payload is 10,000 pounds!
You could put cheap tires (not recommended) on the JT and they would likely still exceed the capacity of a fully loaded JT that wasn't above factory payload rating. You'd have to put in tires with under 2,000 pound load rating.


Anyway, tires, tire weight, people need to stop figuring that tire changes change the payload rating.
They do not.
Tires have nothing to do with it other than the load rating and I have yet to see a Gladiator tire that can't handle even the max tow payload rating (as advertised, base model)

 

[JET_83]

But you can't count tires and wheels differences, so it's not a great way to get exact - but then exact only counts in target shooting.
To get your change, you'd have to do it with the stock tires, then switch to the replacements and not weigh with the new tires.


They are all different. Another Overland may be different from mine. Even a 3.6 Overland will vary based on options. IF they don't have a tonneau cover, no bed liner, and maybe cloth seats, their payload may be better than mine.
Diesel of course, totally different.



"based model" and "equipped as shown". Never go by the advertised payload! Your payload WILL vary. Tires also don't determine payload. The only way tires make a difference is if the load rating of the tire is way low, but even ordinary tires have more load capacity than these trucks. Take a low load rating tire, it's likely to be 2500 pounds x 4 tires, that's 10,000 pounds! Now tell me you are going to load your JT down so that the total weight of truck and payload is 10,000 pounds!
You could put cheap tires (not recommended) on the JT and they would likely still exceed the capacity of a fully loaded JT that wasn't above factory payload rating. You'd have to put in tires with under 2,000 pound load rating.


Anyway, tires, tire weight, people need to stop figuring that tire changes change the payload rating.
They do not.
Tires have nothing to do with it other than the load rating and I have yet to see a Gladiator tire that can't handle even the max tow payload rating (as advertised, base model)

Definitely weighs a lot more than the gas, so you’re right that cuts into it as well.

 

[JET_83]

But you can't count tires and wheels differences, so it's not a great way to get exact - but then exact only counts in target shooting.
To get your change, you'd have to do it with the stock tires, then switch to the replacements and not weigh with the new tires.


They are all different. Another Overland may be different from mine. Even a 3.6 Overland will vary based on options. IF they don't have a tonneau cover, no bed liner, and maybe cloth seats, their payload may be better than mine.
Diesel of course, totally different.



"based model" and "equipped as shown". Never go by the advertised payload! Your payload WILL vary. Tires also don't determine payload. The only way tires make a difference is if the load rating of the tire is way low, but even ordinary tires have more load capacity than these trucks. Take a low load rating tire, it's likely to be 2500 pounds x 4 tires, that's 10,000 pounds! Now tell me you are going to load your JT down so that the total weight of truck and payload is 10,000 pounds!
You could put cheap tires (not recommended) on the JT and they would likely still exceed the capacity of a fully loaded JT that wasn't above factory payload rating. You'd have to put in tires with under 2,000 pound load rating.


Anyway, tires, tire weight, people need to stop figuring that tire changes change the payload rating.
They do not.
Tires have nothing to do with it other than the load rating and I have yet to see a Gladiator tire that can't handle even the max tow payload rating (as advertised, base model)

Payload is pretty sad on these, wish it were more

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Payload is pretty sad on these, wish it were more

So do I. Mine is a bit over 1,000 pounds, likely right at 1,000 with the weight added up front. But most of the time that's fine. If I need to haul more, I have a small utility trailer or my car hauler. It will handle several thousand pounds.
But I decided my need for massive payload was dwindling with time, and even when I need it, it's not that often, not often enough to justify having a full-sized truck with a huge payload that would either sit, or get driven for a couple sheets of plywood now and then.

 

[JET_83]

So do I. Mine is a bit over 1,000 pounds, likely right at 1,000 with the weight added up front. But most of the time that's fine. If I need to haul more, I have a small utility trailer or my car hauler. It will handle several thousand pounds.
But I decided my need for massive payload was dwindling with time, and even when I need it, it's not that often, not often enough to justify having a full-sized truck with a huge payload that would either sit, or get driven for a couple sheets of plywood now and then.

I like the Rams, but they’re just too big for me, think I’ll always be a midsized truck guy

 

[chorky]

But you can't count tires and wheels differences, so it's not a great way to get exact - but then exact only counts in target shooting.
To get your change, you'd have to do it with the stock tires, then switch to the replacements and not weigh with the new tires.


They are all different. Another Overland may be different from mine. Even a 3.6 Overland will vary based on options. IF they don't have a tonneau cover, no bed liner, and maybe cloth seats, their payload may be better than mine.
Diesel of course, totally different.



"based model" and "equipped as shown". Never go by the advertised payload! Your payload WILL vary. Tires also don't determine payload. The only way tires make a difference is if the load rating of the tire is way low, but even ordinary tires have more load capacity than these trucks. Take a low load rating tire, it's likely to be 2500 pounds x 4 tires, that's 10,000 pounds! Now tell me you are going to load your JT down so that the total weight of truck and payload is 10,000 pounds!
You could put cheap tires (not recommended) on the JT and they would likely still exceed the capacity of a fully loaded JT that wasn't above factory payload rating. You'd have to put in tires with under 2,000 pound load rating.


Anyway, tires, tire weight, people need to stop figuring that tire changes change the payload rating.
They do not.
Tires have nothing to do with it other than the load rating and I have yet to see a Gladiator tire that can't handle even the max tow payload rating (as advertised, base model)

Payload is pretty sad on these, wish it were more

just as a reference point my gasser Rubi is almost fully loaded. with hardtop, without the advanced collision / speed control stuff, without trail rail, without smokers and if memory is correct my payload is 960. So options add up fast. I too wish they had a higher payload but its all regulations stuff that limits them.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So options add up fast. I too wish they had a higher payload but its all regulations stuff that limits them.

Physics, science, certain natural laws come into play as well........... some vehicles are simply better suited to carry heavy loads - less likely to be problematic in emergency situations.
If a unicycle had a high enough rated tire and wheel, it could support 10,000 pounds, but would it be wise to ride it with that weight up there? Silly comparison, I know, but is it?

Some of the laws that govern what these can handle were written centuries ago by people like Newton, etc.

I wise man once said:

 

[MPMB]

just as a reference point my gasser Rubi is almost fully loaded. with hardtop, without the advanced collision / speed control stuff, without trail rail, without smokers and if memory is correct my payload is 960.

My JTR is 1168 off the assembly floor (mid-range options). Not really concerned with overloading my payload.

 

[AwesomeDad]

I wasn't trying to say anything about the tires other than that was what was swapped along with the power steps and Sunrider so still dropped 86lbs regardless...

 

[PyrPatriot]

Happy with my 1550lbs payload on a Max Tow.

I sit at about 6000lbs with family and gear when I hit the scales prior to going offroading. But, my tires are about 40lbs heavier than stock ones (80lbs vs 42lbs) so take off 200lbs. I could probably shave another 200lbs with a better bed mat, a few less tools, less

Things that added weight:
Sliders - 100lbs
Bed mat - 90lbs
Bumper, skid, winch - 200lbs
Tonneu cover - ???
Jack + Stands - 50lbs

Probably 500lbs of gear and accessories (not including basic tools, spare bolts, some grease/fluids, etc).

 

[NC_Overland]

I never noticed that payload measurement on that sticker on the door jam before. I used the other one and did the math. My Overland is 1019 because it’s a loaded hard top automatic.

 

[LostWoods]

I too wish they had a higher payload but its all regulations stuff that limits them.

Nah this is 100% an executive decision. They already crossed the 6k threshold that puts the truck into a traditional 1/2 ton classification and the GVWR is nearly identical to an F-150 20 years ago.

This is them, like every other OEM, preventing the smaller trucks from siphoning sales from the full-size segment. There are a lot of people who would never look at an F-150 or Silverado if they could stick 2k in the back of a mid-size.

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