What should I service?

[Clancaster23]

I should probably clarify that the only reason I will be trading it in is because I'm paying more for it now that I would be a brand new one. I was way upside down on what I traded it in for and still am now. I will be leasing my next one as well. I like a new one too often to finance anymore.

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[Stan H]

The dealers near me quoted almost $2500 for the manual transmission, diffs, and t-case fluids. I promptly said NO THANK YOU. I can do that myself.



When are the water pumps recommended to be replaced on the JT? I'm assuming about 100k miles? When I do the timing belt/tensioner on my Subaru I always replace the water pump at the same time, since it's driven off the belt.



You may still have factory powertrain even thought it's a 2021. My Willys is a 2021 but it was sold between April/May that year, so that's when the powertrain warranty ends for me. You COULD extend it if you wanted, but it WILL cost you.

The warranty follows that date of sale, not the date of manufacture or beginning of that calendar year.



IKR?! Just lease the damn thing at that point. Mine was a lease the previous owner bought out to trade on a 4Runner at the dealer I bought it from.

Side note:
IDK why but Toyota drivers these days either drive like old men or road rage. A couple days ago a Nissan Juke passed a 5th Tacoma in a passing zone...well the Tacoma driver didn't like that and attempted to PIT the guy! I was in a work van behind them, wish I caught it on camera.

The waterpump is good until it starts weeping out of the weep hole. Mine gave up the ghost at 118k. Was about a 4.5hr. ordeal to remove/ replace . It takes longer to strip everything off out of your way than it does to actually unbolt and clean and rebolt the new one on. Search water pump and look for my name should see a post and pics.

 

[g2020]

The waterpump is good until it starts weeping out of the weep hole. Mine gave up the ghost at 118k. Was about a 4.5hr. ordeal to remove/ replace . It takes longer to strip everything off out of your way than it does to actually unbolt and clean and rebolt the new one on. Search water pump and look for my name should see a post and pics.

As was the case when you wrote your water pump post in March 2025, the MOPAR water pump for the Gladiator 3.6L is on backorder (again). The service advisor at my local dealership said that I could add my name to the waitlist. The production run for the next part number supersession (E, I believe) will be 600 units, and the waitlist is about half that number.

An aftermarket water pump might work, but an aftermarket alternator/generator that I ordered, in January, was damaged when it was shipped to my home. I ended up buying a remanufactured MOPAR generator from my selling dealer. Ship-to-store might be a better option for large or heavy aftermarket parts.

 

[ivanfrank]

I should probably clarify that the only reason I will be trading it in is because I'm paying more for it now that I would be a brand new one. I was way upside down on what I traded it in for and still am now. I will be leasing my next one as well. I like a new one too often to finance anymore.

Help me understand the logic here. If you're currently upside down, getting rid of the car doesn't magically solve that. You will still owe the difference of the loan amount to the current value. Do you estimate that by 70k miles you'll be at a breakeven point? Also worth considering that by then you'll likely have paid the bulk of the loan interest and more of your payments would be going to paying down principal.

 

[Stan H]

As was the case when you wrote your water pump post in March 2025, the MOPAR water pump for the Gladiator 3.6L is on backorder (again). The service advisor at my local dealership said that I could add my name to the waitlist. The production run for the next part number supersession (E, I believe) will be 600 units, and the waitlist is about half that number.

An aftermarket water pump might work, but an aftermarket alternator/generator that I ordered, in January, was damaged when it was shipped to my home. I ended up buying a remanufactured MOPAR generator from my selling dealer. Ship-to-store might be a better option for large or heavy aftermarket parts.

Wonder why that is the case , I will say this one has performed well. Still perplexed me as to why Mopar cant get pumps. I cant even recall what brand this one is . But it came from O'Reilly's Auto Parts. **the only place that had one *** and I did not have time to be down .

 

[Sandman 4x4]

There needs to be a customer protection law, that says if a vehicle under warranty or not needs a valuable part that is placed on a back order? The manufacturer must remove that item from assembly at the factory, or pay for entire replacement whether under warranty or not! That will light a fire under the supply manufacturer to be sure an over abundance will be on hand if needed. All without any pricing issues over and above normal inflation, NO price gouging or “market adjustment” at all!

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

There needs to be a customer protection law, that says if a vehicle under warranty or not needs a valuable part that is placed on a back order? The manufacturer must remove that item from assembly at the factory, or pay for entire replacement whether under warranty or not! That will light a fire under the supply manufacturer to be sure an over abundance will be on hand if needed. All without any pricing issues over and above normal inflation, NO price gouging or “market adjustment” at all!

What you're proposing doesn't make sense.

If your truck needed a new passenger seat, but all passenger seats were backordered, the Jeep factory would not PAUSE PRODUCTION of ALL JT's to send one of their requisitioned seats to whatever dealer's maintenance department requested the seat. The dealership and the factory are two completely separate entities. Whatever parts that the JT factory has in stock are earmarked for JT's that are yet to be built or currently in process of being built. Moreover, the seat manufacturer is likely a different entity as well and is probably supplying various seat models to various different auto brands. You can't "light a fire" under them and make them magically have materials that aren't available to make a seat.

 

[Sandman 4x4]

What you're proposing doesn't make sense.

If your truck needed a new passenger seat, but all passenger seats were backordered, the Jeep factory would not PAUSE PRODUCTION of ALL JT's to send one of their requisitioned seats to whatever dealer's maintenance department requested the seat. The dealership and the factory are two completely separate entities. Whatever parts that the JT factory has in stock are earmarked for JT's that are yet to be built or currently in process of being built. Moreover, the seat manufacturer is likely a different entity as well and is probably supplying various seat models to various different auto brands. You can't "light a fire" under them and make them magically have materials that aren't available to make a seat.

But a custom can make their second most expensive purchase in their lives, then because of some faulty part, besides a seat? But a part that’s required to USE the purchase as they paid for, can have it sit in a dealers lot with out use, but still requires payments? Plus a replacement for transportation? That makes no sense at all!

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

But a custom can make their second most expensive purchase in their lives, then because of some faulty part, besides a seat? But a part that’s required to USE the purchase as they paid for, can have it sit in a dealers lot with out use, but still requires payments? Plus a replacement for transportation? That makes no sense at all!

That’s what you agree to when you buy a vehicle.

You bought your vehicle, not your vehicle plus access to any parts your vehicle might need on other unsold vehicles.

Stuff breaks, it sucks

 

[g2020]

But a custom can make their second most expensive purchase in their lives, then because of some faulty part, besides a seat? But a part that’s required to USE the purchase as they paid for, can have it sit in a dealers lot with out use, but still requires payments? Plus a replacement for transportation? That makes no sense at all!

It appears that one of the site sponsors, @AllMoparParts.com, has the water pump for the 3.6L in stock today. MOPAR part number 04893941AD Water Pump. MOPAR 68214109AB Water Pump Gasket is also required. I clicked Checkout, but did not complete the purchase. No backorder flags. Please verify the part numbers for your vehicle.

The two Jeep dealerships closest to my home do not have this water pump in stock, but it is available from a different dealer in the Houston area. Check a few dealers before you give up.

Based on what I learned from the service advisor at my local Jeep dealer, the next production run will be for part number 04893941AE. This will supersede the current part number. Supersessions can occur for a variety of reasons.

 

[Stan H]

But a custom can make their second most expensive purchase in their lives, then because of some faulty part, besides a seat? But a part that’s required to USE the purchase as they paid for, can have it sit in a dealers lot with out use, but still requires payments? Plus a replacement for transportation? That makes no sense at all!

If ya want to play ya gotta pay its called you want it bad enough you will pay for it. And its all the manufacturers not just Jeep or Chrysler . Let's be sensible here.

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

If ya want to play ya gotta pay its called you want it bad enough you will pay for it. And its all the manufacturers not just Jeep or Chrysler . Let's be sensible here.

I get what they're trying to say, maybe I can change it up to be more acceptable haha.

Manufacturers should be required to make "extra" or "repair quantity" for common maintenance items that need service such as: water pumps, oil pumps, camshafts, gaskets for common items, etc. This way when customers who actually drive their vehicles need a common service item, they're available, especially when they powertrain is still in production, AND for 15-25 years AFTER production of that powertrain ends.

The ONLY reason they won't do this (more so post The Vid) is their bs investors not seeing the consistent profit gains per quarter/annually.

They can just say "we don't want people owning our products longer than 100k (when those service items are generally due) and rather them trade in by 60k (powertrain warranty/End Of Life) so we can keep selling vehicles and keep our numbers up.

As a salesman, you don't want your customer staying in the same vehicle for more than 2-5 years at most. Keeps your pockets lined, customers in the newest vehicles (aka keeping "status"), and managers happy.
- As a ASE technician, we want parts to service our customer's vehicles. When we don't have parts, we don't get paid.
- As a customer, we want a product we can depend on, that we can use at any time as long as it's maintained, and expect the manufacturer to allow us to keep our product past 100k miles without being told "we don't make those parts anymore, so we can't service your product."


If you honestly believe people should consume and waste every 2-5 years, you're a part of the waste/supply chain issue. If people stopped consuming things that were once durable designs, companies would stop making their design to NOT last and go under. The reason companies went under before isn't the reason now, they can mass produce products people want (not need) and because there's so many, people wont care, example iPhone/Samsung phones. Take those away and people lose their minds. Take away a reliable vehicle, and people will just "figure it out", not get upset and force policy change, no they'll just find a vehicle they CAN get.

I'll keep saying what many won't. Don't like it, get offended, because I Couldn't. Care. Less.

 

[Stan H]

I get what they're trying to say, maybe I can change it up to be more acceptable haha.

Manufacturers should be required to make "extra" or "repair quantity" for common maintenance items that need service such as: water pumps, oil pumps, camshafts, gaskets for common items, etc. This way when customers who actually drive their vehicles need a common service item, they're available, especially when they powertrain is still in production, AND for 15-25 years AFTER production of that powertrain ends.

The ONLY reason they won't do this (more so post The Vid) is their bs investors not seeing the consistent profit gains per quarter/annually.

They can just say "we don't want people owning our products longer than 100k (when those service items are generally due) and rather them trade in by 60k (powertrain warranty/End Of Life) so we can keep selling vehicles and keep our numbers up.

As a salesman, you don't want your customer staying in the same vehicle for more than 2-5 years at most. Keeps your pockets lined, customers in the newest vehicles (aka keeping "status"), and managers happy.
- As a ASE technician, we want parts to service our customer's vehicles. When we don't have parts, we don't get paid.
- As a customer, we want a product we can depend on, that we can use at any time as long as it's maintained, and expect the manufacturer to allow us to keep our product past 100k miles without being told "we don't make those parts anymore, so we can't service your product."


If you honestly believe people should consume and waste every 2-5 years, you're a part of the waste/supply chain issue. If people stopped consuming things that were once durable designs, companies would stop making their design to NOT last and go under. The reason companies went under before isn't the reason now, they can mass produce products people want (not need) and because there's so many, people wont care, example iPhone/Samsung phones. Take those away and people lose their minds. Take away a reliable vehicle, and people will just "figure it out", not get upset and force policy change, no they'll just find a vehicle they CAN get.

I'll keep saying what many won't. Don't like it, get offended, because I Couldn't. Care. Less.

Not waste .. I just belive in tbe aftermarket supply chain of goodie upgrades that make my Jeep into something more than it was at its inception.

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