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What should I tell the dealership to get second steering box TSB fix?

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What I don’t understand is you asked for an opinion and don’t really like the answers, most of us are not going to be able to tell you what you should tell your new dealer as we don’t drive your Jeep. Like someone said already you want them to be honest
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I sympathize with your situation, but you can't go in there with the attitude you're showing below:






You need to be open to working with the new dealer, be honest and amicable. The dealership is a private business and has no obligation to you. If you go in there with the mentality that "the world is out to get me" and "everyone is incompetent", do you really expect them to have any respect or empathy for you and your situation?

Take it in, explain the situation calmly and clearly, don't B.S. them or bring up the other dealership, and go from there. Everything else is just getting you all worked up which is not going to help you.
Obviously I’m not going to go in there an attack them, they aren’t Jeep, just a dealership. The other dealership deserves to be torn apart. In no world should you buy a brand new unsafe vehicle, bring it into a dealership, be ignored and have them repeatedly tell you it’s fine and not even try to look into or diagnosis anything. I’ve dealt with this for a year, I still have the same problem, everyone I’ve dealt with is obviously incompetent and you won’t make me say none the less. The world isn’t out to get me, you’re being a bit dramatic but you have no idea what I’ve gone through with this. Its easy to judge a situation looking in, having no stake in it and having perfect steering.
 
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sorry to be Mr Obvious but tell them the first fix dint work
So then, who’s responsible when you bring an issue up, under warranty to Jeep, Fiat/Chrysler, Jeep cares, local dealership (multiple times), purchased dealership and it’s never fixed? The new dealership may be promising but I’ve had this issue brought up 16 months ago and on too many occasions.
 

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I’ve seen this video a long time ago lol… didn’t help. Plus, I don’t know why I would be having to mess with a jeep under warranty… it’s a really easy thing to try but I don’t know why I even paid for the warranty at this point. It feels like the issue lies where the steering column meets the steering box. The play is there when the power steering is on and off.
The reason to try it is that it’s easier than taking it to the dealer. Try it, and put it back if it doesn’t help. You might have 10 minutes in it total. I have the revised box and developed some play. I made the adjustment and it’s good again. It would take hours out of my day to bring the Jeep in to the dealer, but this attempt only takes a few minutes. This is an adjustment I’ve made to numerous Jeeps dating back to one of my ‘82 CJs, in the early ‘90s. What do you have to lose?
 

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how about telling them the truth .... that makes it easier to remember what you told them later .....
 

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Obviously I’m not going to go in there an attack them, they aren’t Jeep, just a dealership. The other dealership deserves to be torn apart. In no world should you buy a brand new unsafe vehicle, bring it into a dealership, be ignored and have them repeatedly tell you it’s fine and not even try to look into or diagnosis anything. I’ve dealt with this for a year, I still have the same problem, everyone I’ve dealt with is obviously incompetent and you won’t make me say none the less. The world isn’t out to get me, you’re being a bit dramatic but you have no idea what I’ve gone through with this. Its easy to judge a situation looking in, having no stake in it and having perfect steering.
I think we can all sympathize with your situation, but what we're having trouble with is your ask to basically trick the new dealer into replacing the box, whether or not it needs it. Yeah, that's definitely an ethics thing and that's where it's getting sticky for you. Hence why all the replies are to just be honest with them instead. Is it so bad it's to the point of being unsafe? Probably not, but tell them you feel that way if you honestly do.

Isn't there a chance this isn't the steering box causing the issue? Isn't there a chance the new dealership, without your influence, will find said problem? Could you possibly be assuming you know the problem without objective evidence? Be honest here, because the answers are "yes". Steering is more than just one component. Do you really want to get in the middle of that and reduce the chance of finding a different problem if it exists? I would say from experience that you do not want that. Give them a chance to look at the problem before jumping to conclusions that you "need to convince them" of anything.

I hope you get it figured out, but there's nothing "special" you should say to pull the wool over the dealership's eyes.
 

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The thing is the new dealer is going to know what's already been done. It's right there in your service history when they pull it up on their computer, even if it was done at another dealer.
Therefore, the only option is to tell them "The repair was done. There is still a problem."
 

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So then, who’s responsible when you bring an issue up, under warranty to Jeep, Fiat/Chrysler, Jeep cares, local dealership (multiple times), purchased dealership and it’s never fixed? The new dealership may be promising but I’ve had this issue brought up 16 months ago and on too many occasions.
IMO it is any dealer's responsibilty as they represent the Jeep brand. Sadly some do better than others in that regard
 
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IMO it is any dealer's responsibilty as they represent the Jeep brand. Sadly some do better than others in that regard
Exactly. I told the new dealership my massive issue with the steering and last dealership…. They said that they’ve gained a ton of business due to that dealership being exactly what they are. They test drove the jeep, agreed that the steering is sloppy and pulls and this is a MAJOR issue. The service manager is willing to vouch for this as well and they’re contacting Jeep to see what moves should be made. This is a great dealership all around and they actually care.
 

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Okay, I’m sure there’s at least a couple people who are interested in if I got my jeep fixed. This dealership I’m dealing with now is great so far. I got my jeep back with the new steering box and alignment done (chamber was off, more so on one side). I highly doubt an alignment was done at the first dealership but now I steer a little straighter and the steering is a little tighter. However I still have a dead spot and it’s just a tiny fraction better if any. I’m fairly use to this crappy steering and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to get it fixed if I lived in the south where it doesn’t snow but this steering is just too dangerous for winter driving… so I’m gonna press this issue still. So now the count is I’ve had 2 steering boxes replaced, 1 aluminum and 1 steel, while my newly replaced 3rd bad steering box already needs to be replaced.
 

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Okay, I’m sure there’s at least a couple people who are interested in if I got my jeep fixed. This dealership I’m dealing with now is great so far. I got my jeep back with the new steering box and alignment done (chamber was off, more so on one side). I highly doubt an alignment was done at the first dealership but now I steer a little straighter and the steering is a little tighter. However I still have a dead spot and it’s just a tiny fraction better if any. I’m fairly use to this crappy steering and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to get it fixed if I lived in the south where it doesn’t snow but this steering is just too dangerous for winter driving… so I’m gonna press this issue still. So now the count is I’ve had 2 steering boxes replaced, 1 aluminum and 1 steel, while my newly replaced 3rd bad steering box already needs to be replaced.
It’s probably something else worn then. No way you’re getting that many bad steering boxes.
 

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Okay, I’m sure there’s at least a couple people who are interested in if I got my jeep fixed. This dealership I’m dealing with now is great so far. I got my jeep back with the new steering box and alignment done (chamber was off, more so on one side). I highly doubt an alignment was done at the first dealership but now I steer a little straighter and the steering is a little tighter. However I still have a dead spot and it’s just a tiny fraction better if any. I’m fairly use to this crappy steering and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to get it fixed if I lived in the south where it doesn’t snow but this steering is just too dangerous for winter driving… so I’m gonna press this issue still. So now the count is I’ve had 2 steering boxes replaced, 1 aluminum and 1 steel, while my newly replaced 3rd bad steering box already needs to be replaced.
They can't change camber - can't be done unless they use special ball joints and replace the ball joints. In fact, you simply can't do an alignment on these without replacing parts. All you can do is adjust toe-in and center the steering wheel. That's it.
So if camber WAS off, it's still off unless they replaced ball joints with special parts.
Camber is the inward or outward tilt of the top of the wheels. Take a look under there - nothing to adjust. It's welded together.

I'm on my second steering gear.
They replaced my original stock gear under the TSB.
It was better for a few months. I took it back with worse wander than it had with the original aluminum-houses steering gear.
They replaced the replacement and the comment on the ticket was "internal fault".
NO play. In fact coming back up from KS a week ago on good highways my hand never moved the steering wheel while we were on the straights.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. I’m not the dealership mechanic and I don’t think they’d really like me telling them how to do their job but Jeep is the one who told them to change out the steering box again.
 
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My mistake it was toe-in. The driver side was .39 and the passenger was .32 corrected to .05
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