Wicked rear passenger head impact!! Updated JL crash test. Where is the rear side curtain?

[dcmdon]

I respect your personal experience, but until you commit to replace electric window components for me in the event of a failure (which should be an easy commitment if they never fail according to your experience), I will save myself the potential trouble, by reducing the probability of failure from small to 0.

That is another reason. To save potential repair/replacement in the future. I'll leave it there.

This is where you have it wrong. Yousholdn't be comparing the reliability of electric windows with a mythical 100% number.

you should be comparing electric windows with crank windows. There are parts that can fail in crank windows.

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[redriderjf87]

This is where you have it wrong. Yousholdn't be comparing the reliability of electric windows with a mythical 100% number.

you should be comparing electric windows with crank windows. There are parts that can fail in crank windows.

I am comparing the chance of an electric / electronic failure with electric vs manual windows.

There are 0 electric / electronic components to fail in mechanically operated windows. So 0 chance of an electric / electronic failure mode, so I have eliminated that as a potential failure.

There is always a chance in any window that the parts physically connected to the window are poorly assembled or fall apart over time, I agree with you on that. But (that chance) < (that chance + electric/electronic failure chance).

Again, I just explained the OP's original question of why someone could ever want hand operated windows. Everything I stated is objective and I'm not crapping on electric accessories.

Sorry I responded to the OP's original question. I know I said last post I'm done but I really am done now, as I'm contributing to dragging this thread in the weeds from the original safety rating topic.

 

[Orange01z28]

I am hearing that Jeep is cutting the 2022 Gladiator/Wrangler orders short (compared to the 2021 model year run) and launching 2023s this summer. Some speculation over on the JL forums seems to peg this to an auto emergency braking update as standard across the line for govment compliance.

If Jeep doesn't include a rear side curtain airbag on the JL and JT in the 2023 model year, you have to be ducking kidding me. Auto emergency braking is bullshit compared to the impacts felt on a side impact by a rear passenger with their head bashing into the rear door frame and hard/soft top framing.

take a look for yourself at the link for the IIHS test: JL updated crash test

The fact that Jeep has gotten away with the lack of this feature for this long is abysmal.

I still don't understand those who want crank windows, but I can understand the desire to not be forced to buy all the other tech stuff like a bigger infotainment unit. Airbags are different, and there is no excuse.

Don’t drive a Jeep then

 

[Orange01z28]

Can you turn off auto braking?

 

[NachoRuby]

This is where you have it wrong. Yousholdn't be comparing the reliability of electric windows with a mythical 100% number.

you should be comparing electric windows with crank windows. There are parts that can fail in crank windows.

But you can fix them for like $5 dollars

 

[Mr._Bill]

Can you turn off auto braking?

It can be set to warning only.

 

[dcmdon]

But you can fix them for like $5 dollars

Not if the regulator fails. Which can happen in both types.

 

[NachoRuby]

Not if the regulator fails. Which can happen in both types.

True. All of my failures have been motor related. I have 2 out of 4 to do on the Jetta, 1 out of 4 on the JKU, and years ago, one on an accord.

The worst part though is finding parts on older unsupported vehicles. So while I have power windows, in my experience, on old cars, they are a pain in the rear.

Sometimes I wish I had roll up windows though, like when I'm waiting for my wife to turn on the vehicle, and she has the keys. Roll up windows work with the power off haha

 

[dcmdon]

True. All of my failures have been motor related. I have 2 out of 4 to do on the Jetta, 1 out of 4 on the JKU, and years ago, one on an accord.

The worst part though is finding parts on older unsupported vehicles. So while I have power windows, in my experience, on old cars, they are a pain in the rear.

That's interesting. I have a 20 year old Volvo and a 15 year old Volvo and neither have had any trouble.

its funny, I think we are all cursed in different ways. I've gotten 6 flat tires (all on-road) in the last 10 years!!

 

[Rocksalt]

my 2cents:
passenger safety standards as per airbags and the engineering required to make this happen on the jeep should not be that difficult. other vehicles are engineered to have this feature.

 

[shawnebell]

One place would be if the convertible had a roll bar, but I guess you could put airbags in the Jeep sound bar.

True. It's not like the sound bar is all that great to begin with ... might as well do something useful with it.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

... and then there is more engineering to disable, and completely isolate the new side airbags from being able to deploy while offroading. You cannot just add a few lines of code to disable them, any added code can and does have a cascade effect in the whole programming of the controls.

 

[bleda2002]

... and then there is more engineering to disable, and completely isolate the new side airbags from being able to deploy while offroading. You cannot just add a few lines of code to disable them, any added code can and does have a cascade effect in the whole programming of the controls.

Air bags arent disabled off roading, if you smash in to a tree in 4wd it still deploys the air bags assuming the sensors are triggered with the same conditions that happen on the street (speed, force direction, etc etc). There would be new code for this, but they have the starting point for it using the ones from the front seat (and all their other vehicles that have it like grand cherokee trailhawks).

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Air bags arent disabled off roading, if you smash in to a tree in 4wd it still deploys the air bags assuming the sensors are triggered with the same conditions that happen on the street (speed, force direction, etc etc). There would be new code for this, but they have the starting point for it using the ones from the front seat (and all their other vehicles that have it like grand cherokee trailhawks).

They are disabled in 4lo. RTFM.

 

[bleda2002]

They are disabled in 4lo. RTFM.

Edit: I went and read the manual, even in 4LO its not disabled they are still active. If you find a page that says different feel free to post the paragraph, but nothing in the manual indictes the air bags are disabled except by the OCS weight sensor in the passenger seat.

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