wife wants to buy the new JEEP EV.....opinions?

[Mr._Bill]

The rebate is available for all manufacturers qualifying vehicles, until a certain number of the model has been sold. The rebate is a tax credit, and can only be claimed if your taxable income is high enough. The leasing company has the ability to claim the whole rebate, and typically will apply it upfront to bring down the price. You have to watch this while making the deal, as some will try to keep part of it.

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[DBravo]

It’s the latest out. If you’re not afraid of any bugs, go for it. For me, the range of the EV version doesn’t justify it for me.
Losing the rear seat storage is a bummer too.

Others have posted the electric savings is only a few cents per mile difference.

Agree - you can only drive a max of 42 miles on electric, avg of 372 on a tank of gas + electric. Can't figure out why they didn't go classic hybrid with the engine charging the hybrid batt. instead of plug in. It does have regenerative braking which adds substantial savings on brake pads and rotors. I still have a 2011 Lexus CT200H hybrid (based on the prius platform) I bought new, now has 190,00 miles. 450 miles on a 9 gallon tank of gas and first set of brakes at 142,000 miles.

 

[DBravo]

Depends on her commute, if it’s less than 30 miles to work and she can charge there, then she may really enjoy it at not use fuel. (ex is estimated at 50 miles on battery alone)

There is a guy on YouTube “YourNorth”that has tested his out and received over 30mpg on highest recharge setting with mixed speeds including 70mph on the interstate. His videos are
Good

I get 23mpg average in my Gladiator Overland all stock (gas 3.6Liter V6 8-speed auto) driving 200 miles per week at hwy speeds. Paying $10k more for 7mpg doesn't seem worth it .

 

[Stitchedupseats]

I’ve never seen over 17 in our gladiator. Now with 37”s… yeah not happening.

I had to goose the gas pedal in the 4xE today and it rolls out. Ridiculous acceleration with gas and electric. It’s a nice ride. Comfy. Looks nice and was good price. If she likes it and money is right. You won’t hate it.

 

[PyrPatriot]

I’ve never seen over 17 in our gladiator. Now with 37”s… yeah not happening.

I had to goose the gas pedal in the 4xE today and it rolls out. Ridiculous acceleration with gas and electric. It’s a nice ride. Comfy. Looks nice and was good price. If she likes it and money is right. You won’t hate it.

I get 17-18 with 35" Falkens (heavy tires) a steel bumper and winch and gear.

 

[Willys2Gladiator]

So does everyone think electricity is free. How much does it cost to charge these things.
Have a friend who says Costco you can charge you car for free. Really? You don't think the cost of installation on the charging station is pases along? Electric bill also. Let's get real. We need to consider the entire cost of a EV vehicle for all of us.

And saving the environment. Strip mining to get material for the batteries. Disposal some day of used ones. Oh and the energy to actually produce these things will be more than anyone can save. Ill just stop here.

Any insight on real costs would be amazing to actually see for a change.

 

[eternus]

I'm very interested in the PHEV Jeeps and will be watching, though I'd give it a few years so there is some infrastructure in place for keeping it charged. I don't care about the savings per mile as much as the impact on the environment, we're all headed towards electric and I'm ok with that... you get a more powerful vehicle without the noise or emissions.

 

[doc-ketamine]

Can't figure out why they didn't go classic hybrid with the engine charging the hybrid batt. instead of plug in.

Maybe that’s because the engine does charge the battery as it does in a classic hybrid? In the 4xe, “plug in hybrid” means you can charge it off the shore line. The “hybrid” part means it charges off the engine as well.

Source: “When power demand is low, the engine shuts off. It can also be reconfigured to increase the battery charge as well.” (From Jeep.com)
Source: these forums (w/ reflex external source)

I know it’s tough to find this information and I can totally understand where the misconceptions are coming from.

 

[WXman]

I've been pretty harsh toward the 4xe because it doesn't make any financial sense and it doesn't help the environment if you look at all the aspects.

However, tonight's news of the fuel outages in the southeastern U.S. make a good use case for a 4xe. In an emergency situation, you COULD charge your vehicle overnight and then have enough electricity in the battery to at least make a quick run to town for groceries or necessities, even if there was no gasoline to be found.

So I guess it's like I always say, EVERYTHING in life has it's pros and cons.

 

[RobertRinAustin]

So does everyone think electricity is free. How much does it cost to charge these things.
Have a friend who says Costco you can charge you car for free. Really? You don't think the cost of installation on the charging station is pases along? Electric bill also. Let's get real. We need to consider the entire cost of a EV vehicle for all of us.

And saving the environment. Strip mining to get material for the batteries. Disposal some day of used ones. Oh and the energy to actually produce these things will be more than anyone can save. Ill just stop here.

Any insight on real costs would be amazing to actually see for a change.

I never understand these arguments. You want a deep analysis of the end to end impact and cost on the electrical side and completely ignore the gas side. What's the long term impact of our current oil extraction methods? How much does each of us pay in taxes every year for our military to maintain stable passage through the Middle East? I'll just stop here, lol.

To answer your question, the analysis I saw had the cost per mile at about $.01 less for the PHEV Wrangler, $.09 vs $.10. This was in a low cost electricity state IIRC. It's posted in one of the 4xe threads if you're really interested.

There are plenty of reasons to not get the 4xe. No need for some fake sanctimonious "analysis" that you've got all figured out.

 

[XJADDICTION]

I get 23mpg average in my Gladiator Overland all stock (gas 3.6Liter V6 8-speed auto) driving 200 miles per week at hwy speeds. Paying $10k more for 7mpg doesn't seem worth it .

I am with you, I love my mostly stock Max Tow (yes it should be special designation as Rubicon and the like. Why? Because it is exactly what Jeep/Fiat set out to do ad is special IMOP)

The 4xe fascinates me because.... no I am not a greenie... I do love power and efficiency and it’s in our favorite Jeep platform! My next home build will be modern net zero, my current home is large Modern Fam House Passive Solar.

Everything is getting better for the Net zero home as well as the EV because there is major competition developing for these renewable energy homes and EVs as well as a global approach to producing EVs for a reasonable amount of money. The local 4xe Sahara is $46,000.

Right now the 4XE isn’t ready for me, but hopefully some will find it so and purchase. In short order (I originally estimated 5-10!years,?now looking to be end 2021 for Tesla and 3 years for solid state Batteries to become real viable option for EVs)!this is the end game and will take over the combustion engine.

Yesterday morning I passed the petrol station and noticed price was $2.65. On way home pipeline shut down for the South and gas stations out of petrol or packed with panicked drivers. Unfortunately I needed fuel... the price now raises to $2.99. ? I managed to find some thankfully.

Yes we’ve seen this before and we can all speculate as to why this is happening. Now the Michigan/Canadian pipeline is probably going to be shut down. There in lies our major problem with petrol fuel market... it is easily manipulated. I am sick of it.

My current house (designed by my Father and me
As GC) with passive solar and other designed in features that lower energy use without solar or geo thermal is 1500sq/ft larger than my previous common general new construction home build and my energy costs are lower in the bigger house.

Next house is going smaller and net zero, probably go prefab (not mobile home
Prefab)

The 4xe May be perfect for some, and I hope Jeep sells every one of them with orders for more.

 

[RacerX00]

I'm a Jeep fan, I like electric cars and I've been recently looking for my wife.

My advice on all the extraneous stuff on this thread is to ignore it. The world doesn't get saved by your personal car decision, it gets saved when cars as a whole change. This is your, personal, calculation and you should make that decision based on how it impacts you, not someone in 4,000 miles away with a completely different lifestyle, commute, etc.

It's almost free, or is when you consider the additional state incentives a lot of us have. Any electric mileage is a ton of range with a gas engine behind it. Like, a ton. Only people living in the most rural areas of our country would need more range for 90%+ of trips taken. Also what most people don't consider is this isn't a zero-sum game, using .5 gallons of gas instead of 3 is a pretty substantial impact if your daily commute is 50 miles round trip.

You save on electric miles over gas miles almost universally unless you're in some of the highest-cost electricity markets in the US. Couple that with solar and you save a lot more, but that's not always as easy as it sounds (are you charging during the day, for instance). Just look up a calculator, it'll be easy to do the math.

Cons? Well, do the math. Are you saving $500 / yr in gas? $1,000/ yr in gas? What's that vs. the increased (or not, because of federal/state/municipal incentives) of payments?

The math is simple. The money saved, is it worth it to you to have more stuff that will break down the line? It's probably closer to break even than we want to admit because electric cars are cool.

For me, this vehicle is just as good as a gas burner when considering all the trade offs, incentives, etc. and I'd do it for myself perhaps because of the "cool" factor but when shopping for the wife and trying to find the best EV SUV for the money out there, the answer isn't something any of us are going to like. The reviewers are right, Hyundai Kona Electric. That's the electric SUV that makes sense in 2021 and is good and affordable.

 

[WXman]

It's important to remember that the "MPG" displayed in the 4xe isn't apples to apples with MPG in a 3.6L or 2.0T Wrangler.

You have to look at it in terms of cost per mile to drive on both types of power individually. When you do that, you find that electric driving is $0.09 to $0.15 cents per mile, and gasoline driving is $0.12 to $0.14 cents per mile. (The range is because utility rates and gasoline prices vary about the country.)

So in the grand scheme of things, operating it daily is a wash.

But then you've got the several-thousand dollar price up front, and you still have to do maintenance on it, and you probably will want to invest big money into having a 240V outlet installed in your house by a licensed electrician, etc. etc....

 

[Oilburner]

I'm a Jeep fan, I like electric cars and I've been recently looking for my wife.

I'm sorry you lost your wife I hope she wants to be found...

 

[MrKnowitall]

With the rebate, it costs very little more than a 4cyl Auto. Less, given the added content.
you have to check your vehicle charging rates with your utility. Some are super cheap. That said, for the daily mileage you can drive on electricity, the savings don’t warrant an expensive new vehicle. No way of knowing if the 4xe drivetrain will help or hurt resale value.

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