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AAA and roadside assistance is unreliable at best - in my experience.
Unfortunately, AAA is only responded to by certain towing companies.
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Wheeling on rocks...shaving a stem is a thing, splitting sidewalls is a thing.

There's just very little cons for keeping a spare and only risk for leaving it at home. You can get a 37, even 38, under the bed. I run a larger tire than that on the ground but I'm OK with a 37" spare. I have open diffs.
I just picked up a used Gladiator running on 37's. It has the factory spare. I can get a full size spare to mount underneath the bed? It is 37 X 13.5 x 17. I carried a full spare in the bed of my Silverado. That thing took up a lot of space.
 

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I just picked up a used Gladiator running on 37's. It has the factory spare. I can get a full size spare to mount underneath the bed? It is 37 X 13.5 x 17. I carried a full spare in the bed of my Silverado. That thing took up a lot of space.
Yes. You can even get a 38 under there with a new track bar.
 

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I just picked up a used Gladiator running on 37's. It has the factory spare. I can get a full size spare to mount underneath the bed? It is 37 X 13.5 x 17. I carried a full spare in the bed of my Silverado. That thing took up a lot of space.
And if at first it doesn't fit, just air it down a bit. Mine slides in there at about 20#.
 
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AAA and roadside assistance is unreliable at best - in my experience.

When I was moving to Montana, maybe 5 miles east of North Bend - if anyone doesn't know that's a major metropolitan area - I got a flat on my travel trailer. It took AAA 4 hours to get someone to replace it (my spare also went bad).

The following summer, moving to MT permanently, 15 miles east of Moses Lake (not major but a major destination with all of the main services available), I got a blowout, and again a spare went bad. I was stuck on the side of the interstate with no shoulder, so partially blocking one lane. I called AAA, roadside, and my insurance roadside. NOBODY was able to assist. Not one single person. After 6 hours, yes 6 freaking hours on the side of the road, of a massive interstate, 15 miles outside of a major 'summer destination' lake, I limped to the next rest stop. There I sat for another 24 hours. I guess angels were looking out that day and blew up my tires on purpose because the next morning a teenage girl flipped her car next to the rest stop, bad... I was the only responder with medical experience and a medic bag. She had major head trauma, CSF leak, internal bleeding brain swelling - in a bad way. Took the ambulance 45 minutes. FOURTY FIVE FREAKING MINUTES to respond. This was 25 miles outside of that same town. I never got word if she made it..... Since nobody would come to my own aid with blown tires, I cruised 25 more miles up the interstate to a no-name town with a small commercial tire operation. They had the tires I needed. 6 of them. I bought all 6 and 2 extra rim's - funny, they could help, but the people you give your hard earned money left me high and dry. I promptly canceled AAA and ripped them 5 new holes.

Then, last summer after I sold my truck and the Gladiator was on order, a local shop screwed up and forgot to put gear oil back in the rear diff of my TJ for a service. 10 miles outside of my now small town home (which is an hour from the nearest major town) my rear end grenades itself. Luckily I had cell service. Called my insurance, USAA, to request a tow, back to my town 10 miles away. I sat on the side of the highway, again, 2 hours. They finally called back and said they would charge me $2,000 bucks for a tow because they had to dispatch someone 4 FREAKING HOURS AWAY. I reamed them new holes and found my own way back.

needless to say..... After those events, and after having been left high and dry in a bad way while deployed under combat.....

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I have learned the hard way to rely on NOBODY but yourself.

Unless you are in a huge $^&#$ city, roadside can never be trusted to help. Be prepared is my motto - always has been. Often times it results in friends, coworkers, soldiers, whome ever calling on me to assist because nobody else seems to be prepared or know what the &$!! to do. Funny how that works out.
You forgot to say, "Rant over." ;-)
I get the high and dry part.
And for my part, I never left any of the guys I was supporting high and dry, regardless of the weather. Later in my career, I am about to depart a station. A Seal climbs up into the cockpit and hands me an unopened bottle of Jack. Yells over the sound of six turning blades and a roaring transmission that one day when they were freezing on a mountain top and with no one coming due to low vis, he sees this Chinook coming up the side of the mountain sideways hugging the steep slope. Watches me do an aft wheel landing and he and the frogmen climb in. I had forgotten but that made me feel like I was on top of the world.
"Rant response off."
Back to the tire question.
This has been a good and healthy discussion. I concur with almost all of the comments. The spare tire remains tucked in under the bed and I'll just continue with my 5 min 0-60 times.
 

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Try wheeling in Baja. You’ll wish you had two spares. Ask me how I know….
Note to self: Avoid ever driving the Baja...
But to that point, ever wheel in southern/central Afghanistan? Same thing. Sharp rocks and the occasional exploding thing. Switched to Coopers and Mudders on the DMVs to try and get some life out of the tires. Very sharp rocks there. I even lost several tires on my helo over there due to sliced (14-ply) sidewalls which didn't lose air, but If I would have smacked down hard they would have exploded...
 

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OK, allow me to ask a good question:

Do we need a spare tire?

So in all my days off-roading and on several different continents, in Jeeps, Land-Rovers, Hummers, Chevies, Fords, Dodge and Ram trucks and Ramchargers, in Blazer K-5s and Broncos, in a Tundra and a Tacoma, in a Landcruiser FJ-40 and some Hap thing I can't pronounce. Well in all of those in all "adventures" I have had, I have had almost no flats, and none that I didn't fix, and I never once had to bolt the spare onto the vehicle to be able to drive out.
So, with all this weight savings, I am asking myself, why carry that huge chunk of rubber around when the chances of my ever needing it approach zero?
I have popped a bead, just like most of you, but I just reseated it. Actually, three times in one day once. I even gashed a tire and I just loaded it up with tire plugs, like a dozen of them and the lumpy thing held air and drove to the tire store.
So why do I need anything other than a mini compressor and a good tire repair kit?
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By that logic, I should also leave my carry pistol at home. Better to have and not need then to need and not have.
 
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By that logic, I should also leave my carry pistol at home. Better to have and not need then to need and not have.
Not a universal application of logic here...

Never leave your weapon at home, ever!
 

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Yes. You can even get a 38 under there with a new track bar.
It has the Mopar Foxx 2" suspension lift. Will this make a difference. With out a new track bar, 37's should still be fine? I am in the must have a spare tire club. I have driven lifted trucks(35's) or higher for 15+ years. I knew if I had a flat, I was screwed, especially far from home. I always carried a full sized spare in the bed. It was a PITA when moving my daughter multiple times, who was attending college out of state.
 

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It has the Mopar Foxx 2" suspension lift. Will this make a difference. With out a new track bar, 37's should still be fine? I am in the must have a spare tire club. I have driven lifted trucks(35's) or higher for 15+ years. I knew if I had a flat, I was screwed, especially far from home. I always carried a full sized spare in the bed. It was a PITA when moving my daughter multiple times, who was attending college out of state.
Lift doesn't matter. But yes a 37" will fit under there. I have a 37 under there (and a MOPAR lift, lol).
 

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So, for now mine stays under there. It tucked in well and I kind of like seeing the mud tread lol.

On my previous truck I removed the spare and only tossed one in the bed if I was going on an extended drive (like, over an hour). For all the running around town, daily use type things I found I never needed it. In fact, most new vehicles these days just come with a glorified can of fix-a-flat and no spare.

I would not go off-road without one though.
 

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I'm thinking of when I was driving the trails in the Silverton area. The rocks weren't too gnarly but should I have gotten a flat there would have been no way I could have driven out with it. There might have been tow services but there was no cell reception (I did have a HAM radio). And then I imagine the cost for a rescue, crazy.

I would feel much more secure with the spare, which means I can relax and enjoy the trip instead of stressing over killing a tire.
 

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Note to self: Avoid ever driving the Baja...
But to that point, ever wheel in southern/central Afghanistan? Same thing. Sharp rocks and the occasional exploding thing. Switched to Coopers and Mudders on the DMVs to try and get some life out of the tires. Very sharp rocks there. I even lost several tires on my helo over there due to sliced (14-ply) sidewalls which didn't lose air, but If I would have smacked down hard they would have exploded...
I think we missed an opportunity to turn the entirety of Afghanistan into a big off-road desert resort. Every time I see pix of that place, it looks awesome. I would love to wheel there. Get all those guys to stop fighting over poppies and goat fields and set up some guide services. Its a shame the way it played out.
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