Jeep to stop stocking popular gas models in Delaware ( no politics please)

[sharpsicle]

I don’t see how this thread can not get political…

I never even mentioned that word. Just observing that Target and Anheuser-Busch have nothing to do with selling Jeeps in Delaware.

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[yoda13]

I never even mentioned that word. Just observing that Target and Anheuser-Busch have nothing to do with selling Jeeps in Delaware.

I didn’t say you did. I just liked your image, and talking politics isn’t what the author wished, but I just don’t see how you can have meaningful discussion on this thread without it!

 

[Hootbro]

It is not $1.18 per charge....for any EV, not just the 4xe. If it was, my electric bill would not double in the summer here in east Texas when the a/c starts cranking. Your electric bill only goes up $1.18 because it is a subsidy, paid for by every single tax payer in this country, including myself.

You're welcome for my contribution to you saving money.

I am stupid, talk to me like I am six.

How does drawing off ones own house electrical service does a utility provider know when a vehicle is plugged and subsidize that rate of charge?

 

[BearDog]

Same way techs now just drive around the neighborhood collecting usage wirelessly.

When's the last time a tech went in your back yard to read a meter for billing?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It is not $1.18 per charge....for any EV, not just the 4xe. If it was, my electric bill would not double in the summer here in east Texas when the a/c starts cranking. Your electric bill only goes up $1.18 because it is a subsidy, paid for by every single tax payer in this country, including myself.

You're welcome for my contribution to you saving money.

MidAmerican uses almost 60% wind and solar. Our electric has been among the least expensive in the country for several years now.
Our rate in particular is so low as we have the "all electric" discount and all power over 1,000 kWh is only about 4 cents/kWh
Can't help if if the company here has managed things so very well and invested smartly (and many of the wind turbines are made right here)
Iowa has one of the highest number of days per year that are windy. They've taken advantage of the wide-open spaces and the constant winds.

I thought we weren't getting political.

Still wouldn't convince me. I'd find me an old beater, rebuild the small block Chevy, and be damn happy.

My cars -

The problem with this one is street manners suck. Higher stall converter means city traffic sucks and if you push it too hard, you better hold tight. So it's mostly occasional pleasure drives - not good at all on the highway unless you like stopping every so often for gas.
(I don't drive it with those air filters - I have new, better ones.)

Don't think that you can't have it both ways. Fun and gas when you want it, practical when you need it.

sold this one to buy my JT back in 2019 - build 390 with factory ram air.......

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I am stupid, talk to me like I am six.

How does drawing off ones own house electrical service does a utility provider know when a vehicle is plugged and subsidize that rate of charge?

ALL of our power averages out to about $0.083/kWh
That means charging the EV costs the same as any other device we have as far as kWh costs. Heat pump - same price/kWh.
There's no subsidy. Our costs are just that low.
And since the 4Xe is a PHEV, yeah, it does only take a bit over a dollar to charge it.
It's on the same circuit as the rest of the garage. Same panel which is fed off our house panel. And I charge it during any hour of the day for that.
For all they know, I'm running an A/C unit in the garage or whatever.

(I do expect the cost to increase as we hit the summer rate period in June)

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

ALL of our power averages out to about $0.083/kWh
That means charging the EV costs the same as any other device we have as far as kWh costs. Heat pump - same price/kWh.
There's no subsidy. Our costs are just that low.
And since the 4Xe is a PHEV, yeah, it does only take a bit over a dollar to charge it.
It's on the same circuit as the rest of the garage. Same panel which is fed off our house panel. And I charge it during any hour of the day for that.
For all they know, I'm running an A/C unit in the garage or whatever.

This is correct.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Same way techs now just drive around the neighborhood collecting usage wirelessly.

When's the last time a tech went in your back yard to read a meter for billing?

HUH? How do they know what's plugged in? We have 2 mini-splits, a heat pump, welder, ovens, well pump, you name it. The ONLY thing they know is that we use xx kWh/month. That's it. They have zero clue where it goes. Maybe I'm running a swimming pool pump and heater. They can't do anything other than read the meter and see what the total is. There's no way at all to know WHAT is plugged in. They can't tell if the power is used by a toaster oven or a refrigerator. A meter can't discriminate and determine what's using what - it only knows the total going through those big wires. They don't know if it's feeding my shop, my garage or the house. Everything all goes through one meter and it only collects total power that's gone through.

BTW - they don't drive around and collect the information - no need. A computer in the home office reads the meter numbers at the proper time and prints the bills. All automated. Even the big capacitor box on the pole out front (because we are rural and end of the line) is wireless back to the home office where it can read voltage levels and such.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Same way techs now just drive around the neighborhood collecting usage wirelessly.

When's the last time a tech went in your back yard to read a meter for billing?

Uh, oh... time for a faraday cage wrapped around the whole house...

 

[dajudge]

Corporations are people to and entitled to run their bussiness as they see fit. Why would they run 2 separate power train lines and pay for R&D on 2 lines when the market is being directed to 1 specific power train of the future?

It doesn't make financial sense investing and putting resources into a system that will be neutered in the near future.

If the steam ship captains had a forum a 120 years ago, you think they would be bitching about diesel motors?

I am not a fan of electric power trains, but everyone loves their freedom to do what they want and make their own choices, this also applies to business' and we have to live with it or except less freedoms.

If you don't like the direction don't buy a new car.

Because Electric Vehicles account for 1% of vehicle sales (according to JD Power) And when the Current group are no longer at the head of the gov., the policies will change -again.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Because Electric Vehicles account for 1% of vehicle sales (according to JD Power) And when the Current group are no longer at the head of the gov., the policies will change -again.

That's OLD numbers.
They are talking 5.8 - 6.0% now for 2022 and 2023.

Electrification of cars in the United States significantly accelerated in early 2023, according to the latest reports for the month of January.

According to the registration data from Experian (via Automotive News), out of 1.24 million new light vehicles registered in January, some 87,708, or 7.1 percent were all-electric

and from another source -

The percentage of electric cars sold in the US is now 6%. A market share of 6% means, of all cars sold in 2022, 6% were electric vehicles of different segments.

and another -

US: All-Electric Car Sales Surged In January 2023 - 7% Market Share.

I'm not sure where they are getting that 1% from.

Oh, I see -2019 and USA only.
It's jumped since 2019- fromJDP:

Only around 1% of all vehicles (2 500,000) in the United States were electric in 2019.

Electric and hybrid vehicle sales grew massively in 2020, with hybrids increasing by 76% and completely electric vehicles rising by 83%. Although this was a significant increase, just 3% of vehicle sales in 2021 were electric, with hybrids accounting for 5%. In 2022, electric car sales increased by 5% as multiple new electric models reached the market.

JDP is still talking lower than other sources. But even they say 3% of sales were electric in 2021 so it's higher than 1% for sure today.

 

[dajudge]

That's OLD numbers.
They are talking 5.8 - 6.0% now for 2022 and 2023.

Electrification of cars in the United States significantly accelerated in early 2023, according to the latest reports for the month of January.

According to the registration data from Experian (via Automotive News), out of 1.24 million new light vehicles registered in January, some 87,708, or 7.1 percent were all-electric

and from another source -

The percentage of electric cars sold in the US is now 6%. A market share of 6% means, of all cars sold in 2022, 6% were electric vehicles of different segments.

and another -

US: All-Electric Car Sales Surged In January 2023 - 7% Market Share.

I'm not sure where they are getting that 1% from.

Oh, I see -2019 and USA only.
It's jumped since 2019- fromJDP:

Only around 1% of all vehicles (2 500,000) in the United States were electric in 2019.

Electric and hybrid vehicle sales grew massively in 2020, with hybrids increasing by 76% and completely electric vehicles rising by 83%. Although this was a significant increase, just 3% of vehicle sales in 2021 were electric, with hybrids accounting for 5%. In 2022, electric car sales increased by 5% as multiple new electric models reached the market.

JDP is still talking lower than other sources. But even they say 3% of sales were electric in 2021 so it's higher than 1% for sure today.

The article was dated 4-3-23? Even so that is still a tiny percentage of overall sales.
I imagine it is hard for automakers to really move to electric when it is such a small part of their business.
Regardless of what the marketing department says.

 

[kennyglm]

So i just read that the states are starting to penalize you for buying a EV charging you an extra 300 bucks to register it a year because your not paying gas tax anymore.

 

[rharr]

So i just read that the states are starting to penalize you for buying a EV charging you an extra 300 bucks to register it a year because your not paying gas tax anymore.

As they should, You use the road and tear it up to so pay for it. Just because the current taxing model (aka gas tax) is out of date and doesn't account for EV or hybrid doesn't mean they should pay their fair share too.

Hybrid is the sneaky one, they pay gas tax but very little.

I suspect the road tax model will be changing in the future and be based on a common variable such as weight. 10 cents per pound based of GVW paid as part of your registration. But then someone will say i don't drive my car on the street or i only drive it x miles per year.... anyway not my problem, let the law makers make some laws.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So i just read that the states are starting to penalize you for buying a EV charging you an extra 300 bucks to register it a year because your not paying gas tax anymore.

Not sure I call it penalize. You want the streets, you want pot holes fixed (and trust me, you'd bitch if they weren't and you want snow cleared or emergency responses to accidents - so, who's gonna pay for that?

Hybrid is the sneaky one, they pay gas tax but very little.

LOL - where'd you get "the sneaky one". Hybrids pay a lot more in annual registrations. Ask me how I know...........
I did some math and frankly, we end up paying MORE because we still, as a hybrid, only get about 20 mpg in hybrid mode and that's about the same as what a 3.6 Jeep would get.

So depending on how you use a vehicle like a 4xe, it may actually be more than your fair share.
We pay a larger annual license fee, but there are standard ICE vehicles that get roughly the same mpg and pay no extra tax.
So how about jump on the vehicles that are not EV, not hybrid, etc. and get 30+ mpg so pay far less fuel tax, and no more license fee.

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