2023 JT Willys Aftermarket “Max Tow Package”

[LouisvEarlleJT]

As far as the axle being beefier, I do remember seeing a very early video from a show floor Gladiator launch event where some MOPAR rep claimed the wide track axle was beefier (slightly thicker axle tube walls was what I remember hearing), though that was the one and only time I ever saw it... I wonder if he was just misinformed and it spread on the forums for a bit. Anyone know for sure?

Not beefier, been discussed on here many times and like SP said it was just bad reporting that got the rumor going.

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[Rahkmalla]

This is one of the most uneducated posts i have ever seen. the 80 rule is based off your max cap. You mathed wrong.

6000x.80=4800. So he should NOT tow anything above 4800lbs.

OP, you need a full size truck there is literally nothing you can do to tow that thing legally, correctly, or efficiently. If you REALLY want to keep the JT and keep the trailer, then your only option is to leave the trailer in your driveway and pretend you brought it somewhere with the JT.

Before you accuse people of mathing wrong, maybe read and comprehend the post you're attacking.

the purpose of the post is that if one were to take a 6k towing cap vehicle, and equip it with everything that makes a maxtow a maxtow, they would then be capable of actually using their 6k cap.

You cannot legally increase your towing cap, but you CAN make your vehicle more capable of using more than 80% of it's towing cap. Not a difficult, nor outlandish premise.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

and equip it with everything that makes a maxtow a maxtow, they would then be capable of actually using their 6k cap.

And that would mean make it the same weight, the same height, the same springs, shocks, tires and so on.
If the truck you are trying to "equip" sits higher, then you must lower it.
If the truck you are trying to "equip" has larger tires, then you must put the same tires the max tow comes with on it. That changes braking and the ultimate "ratio" of RPM to road speed.

These things are checked as base model versions when rated. The marketing photos of an Overland pulling big stuff down the highway in a mountain state should be flagged as false advertising.

I recall Ford "cheating" on the testing by removing the spare tire, for example.

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

In short - you need a bigger truck or a lighter trailer.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

In short - you need a bigger truck or a lighter trailer.

I recall shopping for my first JT back in 2019. I had my eyes on Sport S max tow. Was pretty much set except for color and took my wife out to the dealer for the final visit and decisions. She started asking about certain features, saw that other things were available - larger radio (back then the sport was very limited) and so on. She decided we needed the Overland. Sitting with the sales guy he brought up the towing limit differences and I told her it would be maxed out pulling my trailer with car - trailer was too heavy. She looks at me and says "so go buy a lighter trailer". and I did.

 

[wildtaco]

And that would mean make it the same weight, the same height, the same springs, shocks, tires and so on.
If the truck you are trying to "equip" sits higher, then you must lower it.
If the truck you are trying to "equip" has larger tires, then you must put the same tires the max tow comes with on it. That changes braking and the ultimate "ratio" of RPM to road speed.

These things are checked as base model versions when rated. The marketing photos of an Overland pulling big stuff down the highway in a mountain state should be flagged as false advertising.

I recall Ford "cheating" on the testing by removing the spare tire, for example.

The hilarious bit is that the OP made another post asking about a new wheel/tire setup for his new Max Tow that won't affect his towing capacity too much.

 

[IamPro2A]

I appreciate the reply! The trailer we have is the Imagine 2500RL. It has a dry weight of 5,800 lbs. I don’t imagine we have 2,000 lbs of extra stuff, I was trying to be all encompassing with my scenario.

I think people are focusing on the OP's first post, and missing his comment above.

I believe with a max tow he says he will now have, he should have no trouble staying under the rated towing capacity (as long as he doesn't go changing wheels and tires). He also would probably have no trouble going over that capacity, but looking at the trailer specs, it looks like if he does, he'll also be bumping up against the trailer's GVWR as well. Talk about unsafe all the way around!

That said, as the saying goes... Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. Even with my max tow, I really REALLY wouldnt' want to tow much above maybe 4500lbs at interstate speeds or long trips.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I think people are focusing on the OP's first post, and missing his comment above.

I believe with a max tow he says he will now have, he should have no trouble staying under the rated towing capacity (as long as he doesn't go changing wheels and tires). He also would probably have no trouble going over that capacity, but looking at the trailer specs, it looks like if he does, he'll also be bumping up against the trailer's GVWR as well. Talk about unsafe all the way around!

That said, as the saying goes... Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. Even with my max tow, I really REALLY wouldnt' want to tow much above maybe 4500lbs at interstate speeds or long trips.

But that dry weight is the basic trailer, no battery, no LP (or eve empty tank in most cases) no water, no added accessories or upgrades, just the trailer as it's shipped with 0 options. That will quickly exceed 6500 pounds and even for a max tow, that's pushing it.
If you figure he should be staying 10 - 20% UNDER the max tow rating he shouldn't be towing anything over about 6,000 pounds - so that trailer is too much. Ignore the dry weight - they are always heavier once you buy them.
Staying under is one thing staying under safely is another. 7500 pounds is staying under - but I'd never do that.

 

[rharr]

Nothing to see here

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And you see stuff like that on youtube trashed and burned.......
can != should

There's a lot of ding-dong stuff going on, no wonder people are killed every day on highways - by other people.

 

[Hootbro]

I traded in the Willys for a Max Tow Sport S! Thanks guys for all of y’all’s help!

You would make a good Kamikaze pilot. Sage advise all around saying the math is not in your favor either way and you are still committed to the cause.

 

[Snake Eyes]

From a Max Tow person with a sensible TT. I would never ever ever ever tow what he is saying with my MT. Just the thought of that someday coming down a grade somewhere gives me the Willies! He traded in the one he had and had the ability to go with an appropriate truck for it.

Can it tow it? Yes. Should it tow it? No
You can tow, but can you stop in an emergency?

I like the fact that my Gladiator is over 1400 pounds heavier than my trailer GVWR. That my trailer is almost 40% lower than my capacity. Piece of mind not only for me, but for all those wonderful families driving around me

The other thing is I hope he stays within the GCWR which is 12800. That means if the Gladiator is fully loaded to 6250, there is only 6550 to maximum GCWR. His trailer is dry at 5800. If the MT is loaded to 6250 which is so simple it is crazy, he has ther ability yo carry only 750 in the whole trailer.

 

[BoomerSooner1994]

Fret not, nail biters and computer warriors, I have decided to go with another camper. This thread is adjourned. ??‍

 

[Jaxmax]

Really, so you joined yesterday , you have been here two days, you have two threads started, you have had two Gladiators in that time. There was no disrespect directed towards you , you did not want to listen, you didn’t get the answers you wanted , so now you disrespect the people who tried to help you?
You Andrew are two much. Moderators it was worth it ,do want you want !
Good by!….Jack

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Wish I could trade vehicles that fast and easy.......... oh, well.

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